MisterCMK;164756 wrote:
Quite frankly, the people who refuse to perform their jobs should be fired.
100% agree ...shouldnt matter what religion you are...

As I understand it, most interpretations of the Koran say nothing that a reasonable person would interpret as "you cannot touch packaged pork products in a store", or "you cannot let someone with a dog or wine in your vehicle".

The Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR, both of which are radical Islam activist organizations in the US with documented ties to overseas terrorist organizations, are pushing a more radicalized Muslim agenda here in the states. The MB is active in the Minneapolis case and is essentially feeding the Somali population there radicalized propogana regarding the wine/dog carrying stuff in taxis.

IOW - radical Muslim elements in the US are using the Somali population to try and force their agenda in the US. MB / CAIR are also behind the "flying Imams" case which was a similar stunt.

There is a precedent in US society for highly religious groups to not fully integrate into US culture (i.e. the Amish). However, in most cases the groups isolate themselves and do not expect the surrounding populace to conform to their needs. Agents of Radical islam tend to think differently, and expect to be fully accomodated by twising the rest of the world around their desires. This is not only a problem in the US - the UK also has a severe problem with a non-integrated Muslim populatino that is manipulating the government and populace to its own whims and subverting the traditional rule of law.

I'm a big fan of religous freedom, and I worry about making any law that penalizes somebody else's religion today because tomorrow the law will be penalizing mine.

Even so, there's a big problem when one of top people in CAIR has said publicly that he hopes that one day Sharia law will replace the US constitution. IMO that's not too far off from treason, and should earn you the choice between a plane ticket or a bullet.

Much of the US is apathetic or unaware of the problem. I'd say we're fewer than 15 years away from the pervasive Muslim rioting you see in france unless people stop pretending there's no problem brewing here at home.

Jim;165004 wrote:
Only the losing side gets charged with war crimes usually

thats right and the winners write history....

GarageAlchemist;164969 wrote:
How about this, Its 1942, you are a young German officer in the army. You are working at your job in Auschwitz, your orders are to kill the room full of Jews next to you, all you have to do is pull the lever that will release the gas. Do you do or your job? Or follow what your religon tells you? This is just an old school example, but there are a ton of possibilities. What if someone at your work place tells you to fuck over a customer? You are a mechanic and your employer tells you to mess with a customers car? Then what? You are hired to obey your boss.. what do you do?

That example does not apply to this at all because as someone mentioned what we are/were talking about was a job within the confines of the law, in the modern US of A.

I wouldn't work at a place where my boss or work place told me to purposefully defraud/fuck over a customer like that.

MisterCMK;164984 wrote:
Those are not good examples at all. Killing is illegal. You are hired to obey your boss within the confines of the law.

Killing when your governemnt orders you to is not illegal.

GarageAlchemist;164969 wrote:
How about this, Its 1942, you are a young German officer in the army. You are working at your job in Auschwitz, your orders are to kill the room full of Jews next to you, all you have to do is pull the lever that will release the gas. Do you do or your job? Or follow what your religon tells you? This is just an old school example, but there are a ton of possibilities. What if someone at your work place tells you to fuck over a customer? You are a mechanic and your employer tells you to mess with a customers car? Then what? You are hired to obey your boss.. what do you do?

Those are not good examples at all. Killing is illegal. You are hired to obey your boss within the confines of the law. A cashier not ringing you out because you have pork does not violate any laws of the land and that cashier should have disciplinary action taken.

If that ever happened to me at Target I would leave everything right there and walk out. I will NOT put up with that bullshit.

MethodlesS;164973 wrote:
did you join the lutherans for your own reasons? then you did it to benefit yourself. there for: selfish.

your way off topic here.......there is no correlation that if your religious your selfish. You can argue the same thing if your not religious your selfish also. This can be twisted into anyway you want.......

GarageAlchemist;164942 wrote:
well i dont agree with either of the previous posts, I am a lutheran because i believe in the lutheran docterine, not because i gain somthing from being lutheran. I dont see how belonging to a particular religous denomination would be percieved as "selfish". And i think that religion does have a place in the workplace, for example most religions hold honesty in high regard, honesty in the work place is a good thing....

did you join the lutherans for your own reasons? then you did it to benefit yourself. there for: selfish.

Sweet-WRX-Lovin;164951 wrote:
I'm surprised Catholics haven't returned fire by refusing to sell birth control products because the church's stance is abstinence, period. <-- this is a joke, haha

Having good moral values is one thing. If you can't perform a duty you were hired to do because of a religious decision or faith issue the employer should be able to fire you no questions asked. They were hired to do a job and the duties it entailed. If they can't or refuse to do them for whatever reason they should be fired. Not knocking their rights, just supporting the rights of their employers to have employees that do what they were hired to do.

How about this, Its 1942, you are a young German officer in the army. You are working at your job in Auschwitz, your orders are to kill the room full of Jews next to you, all you have to do is pull the lever that will release the gas. Do you do or your job? Or follow what your religon tells you? This is just an old school example, but there are a ton of possibilities. What if someone at your work place tells you to fuck over a customer? You are a mechanic and your employer tells you to mess with a customers car? Then what? You are hired to obey your boss.. what do you do?

Having good moral values is one thing. If you can't perform a duty you were hired to do because of a religious decision or faith issue the employer should be able to fire you no questions asked. They were hired to do a job and the duties it entailed. If they can't or refuse to do them for whatever reason they should be fired. Not knocking their rights, just supporting the rights of their employers to have employees that do what they were hired to do.

amicheze;164726 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with being religious, but when a person twists it around to use for their own selfish purposes, I kind of wish they would randomly get struck by lightning.

even belonging to a religion is using it for "selfish" reasons. There is no religion without people using it.

*selfish does not have negative conotations: meaning only "For ones self"

Religion is a tool . Plain and simple. It's only there to be capitolized on.

God I wish I wasn't catholic, all I get is little boys into my van.