HAHAHAHA http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/riches_jonathan_file.pdf thats great.

Someone earlier mentioned the OJ trial and how he's walking free after being acquitted of double murder....I watched that trial closely (I worked at a place that sold tv's at the time...it was all we had to do when we weren't working) and <u>based on what the jury was allowed to hear</u>, there was no way that I could have found OJ guilty. Credit that to an excellent defense team and a prosecuting team that had way too many holes in their case to make the case that he was guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Granted the way we're handling this now, without the facts is pretty un-fair like if I think back to the Duke Lacrosse scandal, but knowing his history, his loser brother, his backround, I think its pretty legit that this guy got himself into some serious deep shit involving the law and the feds. I'll let it play itself out now, but tonight the commish is advising Vick not to attend training camp which is borderline suspension.(I think its a paid leave so it shouldnt classify as a suspension)

I dont know if thats the right thing but if he's going to be in court more then on the field and just cause that much of a distraction to the team if he was present, it could be the right move.

It's definately going to be something to watch for because sports as we know is in a big hole of shit which absolutely sucks cause many know how big of a sports fan I am.

tjamz;178328 wrote:
That is the part that got me the most. Dog fighting is certainly wrong to begin with, but why torture the dog any worse after the fight? I simple bullet would be much more humane IMHO.
Hell I think outside of an absolute life and death situation, anything with the killing of dogs for the sole purpose of killing them and making their lives miserable is just wrong. That includes buying them to eat them.

THats just the american in me though

STiSchucky;178325 wrote:
How do you not see what hes doing to humane animals ie electrocuting, hanging, suffocating, drowning etc, while they still have a pulse not punishable worthy?

That is the part that got me the most. Dog fighting is certainly wrong to begin with, but why torture the dog any worse after the fight? I simple bullet would be much more humane IMHO.

killer69penguin;178324 wrote:
i will fight this one forever because it is jsut my opinion i guess
but also i say again i dont think this is right in anyway and is jsut plan wrong to do!!!!! i love dogs, but thats not the point i am trying to make
kirk you say how you hate vick because he sucks and how he acts, it may seem that way but i give him a lot of credit, i am personally also not the biggest fan of vick but to have that much media attention on one single person you are jsut waiting for them to screw up, that goes for any famous person, everyone makes mistakes but its famos peoples ones that get blown way out of proportion and i fell bad for them for that, that is basically the point i am trying to make
Media never helps. I know it. But this is happening to somebody I absolutely can not stand, but that shouldn't be the issue at hand here.

How do you not see what hes doing to humane animals ie electrocuting, hanging, suffocating, drowning etc, while they still have a pulse not punishable worthy?

Just answer that one question without the bail out answer aka his rights shouldn't be fucked with because humans are are above the law instead of dogs.

killer69penguin;178311 wrote:
how many flies have you killed in your lifetime, sure dosent seem right to me they didnt do anything to you

and as for vick the part that pisses me off is the fact that he WAS treated differently because of his status and in a bad way not a good way, as i said i have read up on this incident greatly and there was an initial investigation of everyhting and the officers in charge thought it was done properly then out of nowhere some people from a higher service come on in and also investigate everything, even the local police initally investigating the incident were mad about this happening, and in other stories it was said that in almost any case of dog fighting none of it would be taking this extreme, there same sentace for the crime but the process of how it is being done is not fair to vick no matter what he did, our justice system is completely fucked if OJ can walk free and Vick spends 6 years in prision
Comparing a fly to a dog? Is that how low you guys have to go to try and keep a legit argument here?

Sorry I've never heard of fly fights, nor is it being realistic. Much like your arugment.

His million dollar status is not any different then any other case. In fact it's probably hurt him more since his initial plea was 'he never checked on the place so he never knew what was going on.' Yea. Right.

How many dog fighting cases outside of this have you compared this one to? My guess would be...zero. How easy it it for someone to say that this is getting more fuel cause of his popularity and that he's being treated unfair? I dont care. I hate Vick. I think he's a classless piece of shit thug who deserves nothing that he's made being a pro athlete. I use the term pro loosely cause he actually sucks a lot. Did those other stories mention how much money are being sought into these fights? Do extreme southern, rural hoods in Mississippi have the gambling ring that Vick, his rich boys do in Virginia? I highly doubt it.

Please elaborate how it isn't fair, and how we should feel bad for this thug. Again, I don't care about the dogs. I feel bad for them, but I stated I don't mourn their losses, but NO such creature should be bred like that, live that sort of life etc. If you can't agree that dogs are a tad more humane then say a fucking fly, well you're probably just as fucked up in the head as Vick is thinking he should get away with this without a breaking a sweat

StangerBanger96;178301 wrote:
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I hope he gets the maximum and then gets murdered when he gets out.

To the people who are semi-condoning it or saying "it's not a human" I will tell you this. You kill a police dog/horse you get charged with killing a police officer. Dogs are put on the same pedestal as humans in some aspects of life and to say that he shouldn't be punished just because humans are allowed to kill some animals and not others is sick. There is a HUGE fucking difference between shooting an animal in the head/body and having it die humanely and quickly vs putting 2 dogs against each other in a pit and watching them fight to the slow, painful, and miserable death.

I too have libertarian leanings but there are some laws that need to be passed and enforced and any law banning torture of animals (then you have to start defining torture because people are fucking manipulative and sick fucks). You have to decide what is more important, your political beliefs or your moral beliefs regarding life.

how many flies have you killed in your lifetime, sure dosent seem right to me they didnt do anything to you

and as for vick the part that pisses me off is the fact that he WAS treated differently because of his status and in a bad way not a good way, as i said i have read up on this incident greatly and there was an initial investigation of everyhting and the officers in charge thought it was done properly then out of nowhere some people from a higher service come on in and also investigate everything, even the local police initally investigating the incident were mad about this happening, and in other stories it was said that in almost any case of dog fighting none of it would be taking this extreme, there same sentace for the crime but the process of how it is being done is not fair to vick no matter what he did, our justice system is completely fucked if OJ can walk free and Vick spends 6 years in prision

weshole;178293 wrote:
Jesus!!!!! I didn't need to see that.

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I hope he gets the maximum and then gets murdered when he gets out.

To the people who are semi-condoning it or saying "it's not a human" I will tell you this. You kill a police dog/horse you get charged with killing a police officer. Dogs are put on the same pedestal as humans in some aspects of life and to say that he shouldn't be punished just because humans are allowed to kill some animals and not others is sick. There is a HUGE fucking difference between shooting an animal in the head/body and having it die humanely and quickly vs putting 2 dogs against each other in a pit and watching them fight to the slow, painful, and miserable death.

I too have libertarian leanings but there are some laws that need to be passed and enforced and any law banning torture of animals (then you have to start defining torture because people are fucking manipulative and sick fucks). You have to decide what is more important, your political beliefs or your moral beliefs regarding life.

Heres an aftermath pic of a dog after a fight.

Yea, if you do this for the sole purpose of joy and making money to a creature, you should be locked up

tjamz;177930 wrote:
I've already responded to this to some degree Mitch...ants (any varmint/insect/other) that is causing property damage, potentially hurting you (bees, wasps, hornets...all of which I am allergic to) or are in some way potentially spreading disease (rats, mice, mosquitoes, etc..) should be exceptions to the "don't kill/harm animals" mentality. I'll openly admit to being a hypocrite about the killing of insects for no reason vs the killing of mammals (heck, I don't even care about fish/snakes all that much...lizards/turtle on the other hand...)

To answer your question as to why it is illegal.....politicians, who were elected by the people of this country, passed legislation prohibiting the willful harming of animals as well as pitting dogs against one another, etc... To my knowledge no one has attempted (successfully) to overturn this ruling. The legislation was based on the principles and morals of the constituents of the politicians....much like EVERY law on the books is. What makes this country great is that we have the ability to appeal/overturn laws and to challenge them in a court of law.

IOW if we got rid of EVERY moral based law, there would be very few laws on the books at all and our very constitution and bill of rights/amendments would all become null and void.

i wasnt so much interested in the law as the reasons people have for putting one creature's life above another.