tjamz;215117 wrote:
I'm actually a democrat...but this portion of the republican mantra I agree with...that and guns and lower taxes.

Sounds to me like you're confused...:icon_geek:

integra_gsr98;215077 wrote:
Right. I am all for temporary programs such as Unemployment, Welfare as long as you have found a job and are working to get off of the program, etc.

As a matter of fact, welfare should not be paid unless the person on the receiving end can show they have a job or are actively seeking employment.

Or unless you are seriously ill/injured to the point where you can no longer work.

As a matter of fact, welfare should not be paid unless the person on the receiving end can show they have a job or are actively seeking employment.

MisterCMK;214997 wrote:
Well said Chuck, my thoughts exactly. I will say that there are some times when someone does get dealt a tough hand and needs some help so there is some need for assistance programs. However, these are not supposed to be permanent and they should not be milking the system which seems to be the case these days.

tjamz;215003 wrote:
Right, I am not saying ban the welfare system in this country, just revamp it...make it beneficial to get off of it....heck allow people to be on welfare AND work for 3 months at a regular job to get them on their feet....or make them work if they are on welfare. Get them a job picking up garbage, working with kids, whatever, so that they can at least earn that gov't check.

+1 to both

tjamz;215006 wrote:
They still have access to low income housing at that level. It gets them back working, contributing, etc to society. They will realize they either need to work harder/smarter. Right now they are living on welfare, no reason that they can't work and live on the same wage....I'm even ok giving them a full 8 hours pay for 4 hours of work IF and ONLY IF they are taking some classes at a community college, etc.. to improve their lives.

Low income housing? where is that? Show me the goverment program that gives housing subsidies to low income people. And finally what i was getting at origionally! Reform!

GarageAlchemist;215004 wrote:
So we get them a job picking up garbage, they make minimum wage, which wont be enough to pay for rent, a car (and all it entails), medical insurance, food. Long term, how do they become un-poor if you will, for good. No welfare relapse. And what if they get hurt? No medical insurace, and bam, they are in debt, and cant work.

They still have access to low income housing at that level. It gets them back working, contributing, etc to society. They will realize they either need to work harder/smarter. Right now they are living on welfare, no reason that they can't work and live on the same wage....I'm even ok giving them a full 8 hours pay for 4 hours of work IF and ONLY IF they are taking some classes at a community college, etc.. to improve their lives.

MisterCMK;214997 wrote:
Well said Chuck, my thoughts exactly. I will say that there are some times when someone does get dealt a tough hand and needs some help so there is some need for assistance programs. However, these are not supposed to be permanent and they should not be milking the system which seems to be the case these days.

Right, I am not saying ban the welfare system in this country, just revamp it...make it beneficial to get off of it....heck allow people to be on welfare AND work for 3 months at a regular job to get them on their feet....or make them work if they are on welfare. Get them a job picking up garbage, working with kids, whatever, so that they can at least earn that gov't check.

GarageAlchemist;214982 wrote:
In that case i hope that you never get elected to a local office.

I'm starting to feel more like a republican every day...and here is the dilemma, my heart says "yes, let's help everyone we can afford everything they want through gov't programs", whereas my brain says "WTF, if I can make it, anyone can!". I was a C average student in HS, went to one semester at NDSCS before dropping out, went on to Mobile Dynamics (trade school for car audio), got my MECP/EIA certification. Worked for various different stereo shops for a couple years until the autostart craze hit...then I went on my own...worked hard for several winters straight to earn some cash/pay off some debt. Got some other side jobs for the summers (customer service, eventually management)...kept my head up and kept learning from every job I did. Finally landed a job with SimplexGrinnell as a Fire Alarm Tech, started making a decent living...kept learning, growing, putting up with BS...got promoted to a sales position....was #7 in the Nation last year in volume of sales (there were 325 others that do the same thing I did in the US), #3 in percentage above quota....kept going, kept learning...opportunity came up at Nardini Fire Equipment as a System Designer & Department head...got offered a lot more money to make the move.... Now I make a very good living (IMO) and did it all w/o a college education or gov't handouts. During some of my earlier years, I earned under $12k/year...I was broke. I learned one thing from that...I don't like being broke, vowed never to go down that road again. I didn't get "lucky" in life, I worked hard to get where I'm at. I refuse to reward mediocrity....and don't believe the Gov't should either.

GarageAlchemist;214982 wrote:
In that case i hope that you never get elected to a local office.

Why? Is it because I believe that people should be held accountable for their actions and be responsible for themselves?

MisterCMK;214967 wrote:
I don't give a shit if they can. Sorry to be so blunt, but the working lower class needs to worry about themselves as do I. If they cannot afford the health insurance that Chuck has then they best look for a cheaper/different plan or get a better job.

We have a winner folks!

MisterCMK;214967 wrote:
I don't give a shit if they can. Sorry to be so blunt, but the working lower class needs to worry about themselves as do I. If they cannot afford the health insurance that Chuck has then they best look for a cheaper/different plan or get a better job.

In that case i hope that you never get elected to a local office.