Parker;222205 wrote:
huh... we agree... maybe we could be friends...

Maybe you two can spoon and puff each others peters as well.

fags

reshalghoul;222202 wrote:
Hey, that....makes....sense....

I'm shocked.
huh... we agree... maybe we could be friends...

Parker;218011 wrote:
every vehicle has its faults... some more than others.... until we have owned every vehicle in question... none of us have an argument....

Hey, that....makes....sense....

I'm shocked.

But seriously, GM and Toyota both make good products. The Prius is one of the hottest cars right now. And if gas prices average north of $4.00/gallon for the year, GM and Ford will be hurt, big time.

Edit: http://www.warrantyweek.com/archive/ww20060620.html

Here is a picture of one of those shitty trucks sitting in the crusher.

harm;218432 wrote:
I'm hoping that soon it becomes cool to jump off a friggin' bridge, the world will be a less sheepy place. I hate people.

Never happen its nature man.

24valvenotak;218350 wrote:
..whether they are beaten up or babied their whole life no owner of a toyota will EVER buy a chiltens.

As of today.. I own a toyota. FINALLY.

Like a good scout.. be prepared.. yeah. I've owned the chilton's manual for it for months now. :icon_cheers:

That being said.. I fully agree with most of your rant. There are so many damn doctors/lawyers/"suits" out there buying pickups because the SUV craze is dying down, and now it's cool to have a pickup.. I'm hoping that soon it becomes cool to jump off a friggin' bridge, the world will be a less sheepy place. I hate people.

XJHEAD;218204 wrote:

:lol: thats great!

I will agree that most Tundra owners (and many other 1/2 ton owners for that matter) are just looking for a vehicle that will pull their boat, etc... And you are right, there a lot of older trucks still running around out there (such as yours) pulling 8k boats from Mpls to Fargo and back. However, here is the REALLY weird thing my dad told me yesterday.....driving around the parking lots of livestock auction barns, he's starting to see a lot of guys who used to be 3/4 ton Dodge/Chevy/Ford guys driving around with Tundra's now...pulling long-ass gooseneck stock trailers. My dad is one of them now, he just traded (yesterday) in his 2005 F250 (gas...I'm being as fair as I can here) on a Tundra because it pulled his stock trailer better. He had a 2500 GMC (2003) before the Ford and the Ford felt better to him than the GMC. As he drives it and uses/abuses it (which he will) I will let you know how well it holds up.

MisterCMK;217930 wrote:
el oh el

I'd like to see an import "truck" hold up to some actual work.
ty for saying that

rant? ok.

here is the difference between a large vehicle ie tahoe tundra suburban etc and a real pickup...

a pickup is supposed to be utilitarian, not a grocery getter with a large trunk and onstar. when you beat the crap out of your TRUCK and its time for an oil change you should not be required to remove a plastic panel concealing the entire engine bay. it should also not take you forty five minutes to change the spark plugs because you had to run to fargo bumper to replace the plastic clips you broke that hold your Tundra(or bowtie to keep chuck from thinking im fisting his vagina over owning one) engine cover on. new fords new chevys new dodge new anything is not a pickup, its a statement now. look at me, i drive a 50k dollar pickup. yeehaw. the rational person who REQUIRES a pickup to do the sort of job only a pickup can(who will actually utilize the towing capacity etc), will buy a 95 3/4 ton chevy for four grand and git r done. if you can afford to own a brand new one for two years until the leather seats wear out and throw it away, im jealous, but they both haul your concrete, tow your boat, throw mud all over little cars and ugly children.... which is what a pickup is supposed to be. now, if you are looking for heated leather seats, a sunroof, an in dash six cd changer, and room for children so you can haul them to soccer practice a brand new 50k dollar VEHICLE is probably the perfect choice. might i suggest a toyota tundra, it does pretty much all the things a TRUCK does, it just does it with all the class and sophistication tearing stumps out of your yard requires:icon_salut:

chuck..

tjamz;218005 wrote:
I mean, if there were more demand for Toyota replacement parts, there would be more Toyota replacement parts available over the counter...right? If there is no demand, we keep a supply on hand?

ok seriously, how many 199x trucks are running around with over 150k miles pulling your 8k lb malibu boat back to fargo on the bumper? basically beating the living shit out of them on a daily basis? a lot. we have five. there are a lot. the type of person who drives one? probably nothing like the driver of a brand new toyota tundra. stereotype whatever you know its true. you wont see a whip antenna on a fuckin titan. just wont. end of story. people who drive an old chevy fix their old chevy. have you seen one? there arnt that many things to go wrong. you can put eleven of me under my hood and i bet we could all still keep our fingers out of the fan.

even if a toyota was used and abused for 150k miles i would be willing to bet there still wouldnt be any parts for them at napa, NOT because nothing would have broken but because the guy who owns it would take it to the dealership. much like every other doctor lawyer idiot who buys a brand new pickup just to drive around in. 115 dollar dealership oil changes ftw, right? ill bet napa doesnt reserve fifty shelves for saab or volvo either... not because they dont break... they are pieces of machinery for fucks sake .... but because they are dealership cars. just like toyota always will be. whether they are beaten up or babied their whole life no owner of a toyota will EVER buy a chiltens.

nobody puts their avalon on jack stands in the driveway for their routine oil change. it gets put it on a hoist in a very tidy well light service bay right in front of a 12k dollar tool box by a man wearing white gloves and black slacks. i would bet that same guy is the one changing the burnt out headlight too.

this concludes our lecture on why napa does not stock a billion and one replacement parts for your toyota... and, well, why i think the world has lost its mind.

GarageAlchemist;218126 wrote:
There were thousands of snapped cams in the Second Gen Ford SHO's, and ford never recalled them. That was a bogus deal there.

No-one is argueing against the fact that Toyota is handling it extremely well. Like I said Toyota is practically printing money right now, and would really be kicking ass if their NASCAR team could do anything, so they can afford to save face that way. Detroit cannot and it makes me sad. I don't like GM that much, pretty much everything, save for the Vette, has been blah since 1972. But I would hate to see them go down, or Chrysler, and especially Ford. When your product has a problem, because you cut costs, because a foreign product has undercut you and your workers are <u>grossly</u> overcompensated, and your not making any money, and you are millions in debt, are you going to give out money unless someone puts a gun to your head?

tjamz;218005 wrote:
-I'll take the parts that don't break thank you (and if they do due to poor design are covered under an extended warranty)...you can keep the cheap parts that go out regularly but are available at every autoparts store...why? Because they break more often is my guess. I mean, if there were more demand for Toyota replacement parts, there would be more Toyota replacement parts available over the counter...right? If there is no demand, we keep a supply on hand?

Everything breaks, I stock more parts for chevy trucks because there are far and away more of them around than anything else. Also the chevy trucks get used as trucks because they are tough enough. IMO people don't buy Nissan or Toyota pickups to actually be used as trucks. How many do you see pulling trailers or actually loaded down on its way to a job site? The domestic trucks break more often because they are used as trucks, read HARD. People buy the import trucks because they have been told by the media that domestics are inferior, which is just not the case if it were the F150 would not still be the best selling truck in the world.

tjamz;217785 wrote:
ah...but GM would wait until they got sued and then still refuse to buy the trucks back. Toyota admits to the potential of the problem, offers an economic solution to alleviate the problem and an extended warranty to protect against it should it happen in the future....name one big-3 that has done anything like that on their warranty recalls.

FWIW, Toyota bought back my Tundra at full retail price because there was a "chance" that my bed may experience the "bed bounce" issue...again, I'm fairly certain Ford doesn't buy back the 5.4 liters that had the spark plug issue nor has Chevy with any of the front suspension issues. The reason it's not making news is because Toyota is standing behind their product, even with it's flaws. Everyone makes mistakes, Toyota is just owning up to theirs.

This man hit the nail on the head.

When the new Tundras were snapping camshafts, Toyota initiated their own recall. When was the last time Uncle Sam didn't force one of the big three to do that when their product shit itself?

capitlj;217791 wrote:
Save for towing capacity, space, looks, cheap/available parts.

Apples to apples....

-towing capacity is near top of it's class
-space is as good or better than it's rivals...my tundra ext cab had more rear legroom than the 08 Sierra Crew Cab (full four door) in my driveway now
-looks is a matter of opinion. I prefer the Tundra over almost everything EXCEPT the Titan
-I'll take the parts that don't break thank you (and if they do due to poor design are covered under an extended warranty)...you can keep the cheap parts that go out regularly but are available at every autoparts store...why? Because they break more often is my guess. I mean, if there were more demand for Toyota replacement parts, there would be more Toyota replacement parts available over the counter...right? If there is no demand, we keep a supply on hand?

capitlj;217791 wrote:
Save for towing capacity, space, looks, cheap/available parts.

heh, just what I was thinking.

I'd like to see an import "truck" hold up to some actual work.

Grr;217748 wrote:
have you heard about this before now? You would think something as serious as frames rusting in half would get the medias attention wouldnt you? I certainly havent seen it

BTW, this is what the result of these problems, i think it would be serious enough to make headlines.

Why would it be broken like that... caved up, not down in the middle...