...the tire slows down at the same rate as the car, with the brakes keeping the tires very near the point at which they will start to lock up. This gives the system maximum braking power.

pin wrote:
What I was taught in a brakes class was the most stopping power happens just on the verge of lock-up, NOT during lock-up. ABS keeps the brakes on the verge of locking up, so it SHOULD reduce stopping distances.

Ahhh...but ABS doesn't keep it on the verge, it locks them up repeatedly during the braking process. It might just be that subaru, who have a notoriously sensitive ABS, don't benefit as much from their abs system as other vehicles do. I am relatively happy w/ the way that my Rav4 stops on ice w/ abs. For me, I unhook my subie's abs whenever I want to actually be able to stop my car on ice.

gunmaster wrote:
I dont think you stand a chance in court. You will learn from this. Dont follow so close next time. It's winter you have to be extra careful while driving. I think Two cars lengths is good enuff stopping distance maybe three!

If you left 2-3 car lengths between you and the car infront. You would've had enuff time to stop.

baaaah..i've made myself a good case. i have court beginning of march and i'm takin home a trophy

Tad218 wrote:
about an hour ago, i got into this little accident. the girl ahead of me slowed down to turn and i couldn't stop and i tried turning into the snowbank but i couldnt and i scraped the side of her back bumper barley. there is no marks on my car and she had a little white scrape. so the cops shouldnt of even been called but whatever. anyway i was nice to the cop, i apologized to the girl and the cop gave me a ticket for "failure to have a vehicle under control"!! when he gave it to me i said "you cant be serious, its icy as hell" and he said its icy everywhere. the tickets for $60 and im fucking pissed!!! how can i get a ticket for ice??? i wasnt speeding and i dont think he thought i was and i was driving my winter car which is a topaz so he couldnt of thought i was showing off or whatever. this is defintley goin to fuckin court but i dont know who to say besides that it was icy!! :mad: FUCK!!

I dont think you stand a chance in court. You will learn from this. Dont follow so close next time. It's winter you have to be extra careful while driving. I think Two cars lengths is good enuff stopping distance maybe three!

If you left 2-3 car lengths between you and the car infront. You would've had enuff time to stop.

tjamz wrote:
ABS DOES NOT MAKE YOU STOP FASTER ON ICE. ABS does however allow you to steer while on ice. If you want to stop faster you need to pump the brakes, I know your owners manual tells you not to, but trust me on this one. I pull my ABS fuse every winter (actually, I just have a toggle switch to cut power to my ABS) for this very reason, I did some testing to prove to myself that my ABS is junk...I stopped on average 25' sooner w/o abs using my foot to modulate the brakes than abs did.

or shift into neutral. Thats what my dad taught me.

My car has abs cant really say its a plus or minus. It wieghs 6200lbs and its awd. To me a heavy awd car stops better. Alot better then my 1g fwd dsm.

StangerBanger96 wrote:
And ive found that every car ive ridden in stops sooner WITH ABS than mine which has none....thats odd. Although cars without ABS seem to stop better than mine as well, so maybe my cars just f'd up.

from what ive experienced.. i have to agree. my moms camry stops a whole lot better on ice than my talon does or my olds did without abs. i think it really depends on what car it is though. im sure each manufacturer has its own abs system.. so maybe some dont work as well as others.

tjamz wrote:
ABS DOES NOT MAKE YOU STOP FASTER ON ICE. ABS does however allow you to steer while on ice. If you want to stop faster you need to pump the brakes, I know your owners manual tells you not to, but trust me on this one. I pull my ABS fuse every winter (actually, I just have a toggle switch to cut power to my ABS) for this very reason, I did some testing to prove to myself that my ABS is junk...I stopped on average 25' sooner w/o abs using my foot to modulate the brakes than abs did.

And ive found that every car ive ridden in stops sooner WITH ABS than mine which has none....thats odd. Although cars without ABS seem to stop better than mine as well, so maybe my cars just f'd up.

99slowGSX wrote:
Thats why you drive slower!!

Kevin
sls

wtf?????? kevin thats against everything u stand for!

tjamz wrote:
ABS DOES NOT MAKE YOU STOP FASTER ON ICE. ABS does however allow you to steer while on ice. If you want to stop faster you need to pump the brakes, I know your owners manual tells you not to, but trust me on this one. I pull my ABS fuse every winter (actually, I just have a toggle switch to cut power to my ABS) for this very reason, I did some testing to prove to myself that my ABS is junk...I stopped on average 25' sooner w/o abs using my foot to modulate the brakes than abs did.
thats why i love manual brake cars like mine there great u actually stop faster but depends on how well u can drive to contorl it

The pigs will try and squeeze money out of you any way they can.

GraveDigger wrote:
get better brakes and ABS.

ABS DOES NOT MAKE YOU STOP FASTER ON ICE. ABS does however allow you to steer while on ice. If you want to stop faster you need to pump the brakes, I know your owners manual tells you not to, but trust me on this one. I pull my ABS fuse every winter (actually, I just have a toggle switch to cut power to my ABS) for this very reason, I did some testing to prove to myself that my ABS is junk...I stopped on average 25' sooner w/o abs using my foot to modulate the brakes than abs did.

heath_06p@yahoo.com wrote:
cops should only be called if the vehicular damage is 300$ dollars or more and if property damage is 1000$ or more. I have had extensive dealings with this.AHHH Camaro's and Light Poles....

My bad, the cops didnt get called when i t-boned the f150. he was the one that didnt care to call the cops. Thats prolly cause it was his dads construction companies truck and didnt care. But that helps me alot, no ticket for running a red, and i didnt go through insurance for it.

FYI... they gave it to me for not being in my lane on a right hand turn. Bullshit.