<![CDATA[2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style?]]>I had a crazy thought today... I feel for the most part everybody enjoyed p10 alot this year being it was at the fargo dome and all. But Ground Assault this year especially Tony and Nick went to 4 HIN's 1 being a Night Shift in Chicago, which they said and along with many other HIN competitors that NightShift is far better than the regualar HIN, not saying that HIN is bad just the NS has a better atmosphere; so this is just kind of a feeler I'm putting up for FS members to talk about and for Jason and Shane to maybe look at and consider there options. If next year p10 was outside say at the Dome parking lot or maybe at the fair grounds in WF. Have it go 5-12 just like always. I feel it would be just as fun if not more fun than this year, you could have events going on idk say Public Nuisance have a stunt show or something along the lines of that where you can break up the monotny of the show, which everyone including myself agree that car shows are fun but there is usually nothing to do. idk having it outside just opens up so many more options than having it inside, weather permitting of course. Also for Tintmasters it would be alot more cost saving I feel, idk what is all into renting out a facility like the dome but damn its gotta be alot cheaper for the parking lot. You can still get lighting but you won't need as many obviously since in the summer it stays light out until like 10 plus the dome already has lighting through out the parking lot.

Idk let me know what you all think i feel it would be something fun to try.

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Joel;243876 wrote:
calling a date that we could get everyone from out of town here hoping it doesnt rain smells like disaster...

Yes

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/236710https://fargostreet.com/post/236710Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:27:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:25:16 GMT]]>well, if you did it outside and it rained...you wont have trouble getting contestants for the wet t-shirt contest.

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SPANISH-RICE;244319 wrote:
Drifting is for silly kids that cant keep their sexual tendencies straight 🙂 maybe i should be a drifter

Whoa WTF did he just say?

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/235552https://fargostreet.com/post/235552Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:44:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:13:29 GMT]]>Why not just have the show like last year at the dome and then do all the extra stuff the next day at the track? That way, the show will go on no matter what, and if it rains, we won't lose out on as much and the wet tshirt contest will just have more crowd involvement.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/235522https://fargostreet.com/post/235522Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:13:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:24:33 GMT]]>i like the idea but there is a lot of factors you need to think of with having a outdoor show of that caliber. first thing is you have many hoops to jump to get permits for a lot of different things. then you need to try to get some big clubs to come to do drifting, bike stunts and many other things like that. i have seen many shows that have had hin nightshift highlights and don't get me wrong it looks sick but not as easy as some people think.

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SPANISH-RICE;243930 wrote:
Outdoors with a wet t shirt contest, decibel comp, burnout comp, ... Open bar...

I'm down...

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/234279https://fargostreet.com/post/234279Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:26:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:54:54 GMT]]>Lol hjermstad u were a drifter didn't turn out well tho

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spanish-rice;244319 wrote:
drifting is for silly kids that cant keep their cars straight 🙂 maybe i should be a drifter

yes

tray drifting ftw

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/232816https://fargostreet.com/post/232816Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:41:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:19:47 GMT]]>Drifting is for silly kids that cant keep their cars straight 🙂 maybe i should be a drifter

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/232814https://fargostreet.com/post/232814Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:19:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:06:27 GMT]]>I ask why it wouldn't I didn't say that it would. And by the first statement I ment I don't ever seeing it happen this year

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drift86;244210 wrote:
I would like to see a drift demo also but I see that not ever happening.

drift86;244281 wrote:
Why would a drift demo NEVER happen?

Um....

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/232806https://fargostreet.com/post/232806Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:53:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:48:00 GMT]]>[QUOTE=behnd_the_sparco_harness;244280]i think i could think of a few people who'd be down for a wet tshirt contest..

a wet t-shirt contest would be awesome id be down for that but it wouldn't happen due to p10 show being so well known that not just car people show up...i saw families with little kids at the dome this year and i'm sure they would not appreciate seeing that kind of thing, which would cause them to throw a fit and cause TM to get bad PR or something

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/232786https://fargostreet.com/post/232786Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:48:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:02:57 GMT]]>Why would a drift demo NEVER happen? Ya insurance is high but if you talk to the right people things get worked out pretty easily. I don't seeing it happening this year but maybe sometime.

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SPANISH-RICE;243930 wrote:
Outdoors with a wet t shirt contest, decibel comp, burnout comp, ... Open bar...

i think i could think of a few people who'd be down for a wet tshirt contest..

i think the outdoor idea would be something fun and out of the ordinary. i'd be down to walk around and get a tan while checkin out sweet cars!

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drift86;244210 wrote:
I like the out door idea. I would like to see a drift demo also but I see that not ever happening. it would be nice to have a change as well. Indoor shows are nice but the atmosphere outside could be a lot better I believe.

lol ya i wouldn't plan on seeing a drift event ever happen. Burnout contest would most likely be pushing it

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/232739https://fargostreet.com/post/232739Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:45:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:04:44 GMT]]>I like the out door idea. I would like to see a drift demo also but I see that not ever happening. it would be nice to have a change as well. Indoor shows are nice but the atmosphere outside could be a lot better I believe.

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/232706https://fargostreet.com/post/232706Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:04:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:25:12 GMT]]>dont really matter to me, sounds fun either way, im prolly gonna enter this coming show finally

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inspector01;243952 wrote:
One idea would be, have the show indoors, but have a few things outdoors like a stunt show and/or drifting....so people can go indoors and outdoors to a fenced in area for the shows. (this would also allow a more controlled spectator spot for the stunt/drift show.)

We need to focus on indoor/outdoor before we look into outdoor drift events (which won't happen)...If we have it indoors, we planned to look into other outdoor options.

  • Jason
]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/232466https://fargostreet.com/post/232466Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:08:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:36:46 GMT]]>One idea would be, have the show indoors, but have a few things outdoors like a stunt show and/or drifting....so people can go indoors and outdoors to a fenced in area for the shows. (this would also allow a more controlled spectator spot for the stunt/drift show.)

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/232448https://fargostreet.com/post/232448Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:36:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:18:53 GMT]]>The evolution of the P10 show came from a huge risk as Scott mentioned. We used to hold annual show n shines at the Fargo and Grand Forks location. 4 years ago I asked about the chance of getting into the Civic Center. Shane was skeptical, but after checking rates and getting some response on the idea, we gave it a go. P10 Gen 1 was a great success, and that has what we have built on every year. We have tried things that failed (Inebriation, 2 rooms for the show (Civic Center), and we have tried things that have been successful (Fargodome, Tianna, Red Carpet, etc...). I really REALLY like the idea to expand for 2009 and put a twist on the already successful show. There are many things that go into planning an event, and the planning usually starts in January. So from now until then, we need to decide on how to make the 2009 event refreshing, yet successful/profitable. So I will go back to the basics and put down the Pro's and Con's that I can think of at this point (to having it indoor vs. outdoor)

<u>Indoor</u>

Pro's:

  1. Continued growing success - we know we can fill the Fargodome with awesome show vehicles

  2. No rain risk (this is an enormous risk, as if it rains we not only lose entries/attendance, but lose the deposits on anything run off electricity (DJ, sound, lighting, stage) and the deposit on the lot/arena rental.

  3. Familiarity of running the event

  4. Easy to monitor paid entrees

  5. Convenience for talent (suites/rooms for models, judges, us, etc...)

  6. No mosquitoes

  7. Controlled Temperature

  8. Roll-in is controlled/smooth and no backed up traffic

Con's:

  1. It has been done for 4 years, and a change may introduce new vehicles and anything with a running car is exempt.

  2. High expense for electricity

  3. High expense for building rental

<u>Outdoor</u>

**Pro's:
**

  1. The feel that being outdoors in North Dakota gives on a nice cool evening

  2. The ability to LOOK INTO a stunt event/auto-x/burnout contest/etc...

  3. A change from every other P10

  4. No electricity charge to us, or the entries as the cars would be able to be idle'd.

Con's:

  1. Rain risk

  2. High humidity that ND can have, making even after sunset irritable and giving the entire show a bad vibe

  3. Mosquitoes

  4. Risk involved IF we could have a motorsport event

  5. Insurance expense to hold a motorsport event

  6. Potential loss of entries due to rain risk and a 3-12 hour drive

  7. Noise ordinance - RibFest has proven that you can have noise after 10pm in the dome, however was their an expense? License? Or am I off and the music was off by 10pm?

  8. Regulate those that pay to enter may be tough

That is my quick 'off the top of my head' thoughts. Judging from the Pro's and Con's, it makes most sense to hold it inside....I am <u>VERY</u> much into the idea of an outdoor event, but there is a lot of roadblocks to overcome. I would like to continue reading others thoughts/objections.

Jason Christopherson
Perfect 10 Show Coordinator
jason@perfect10show.com

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BomexE;243936 wrote:
i do feel that people will come to this show from out of town due to the fact that TM puts on the best all around car show in this region right next to HIN, thats why people will come because they want to be apart of the show, if it is advertised right it could get even bigger being inside because there will be more room for more cars endless options of different activites to have within reason

Ill still come. i might need a sidekick tho. :icon_salut:

]]>https://fargostreet.com/post/232434https://fargostreet.com/post/232434Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:29:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2009 TM P10 Nightshift Style? on Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:26:30 GMT]]>i do feel that people will come to this show from out of town due to the fact that TM puts on the best all around car show in this region right next to HIN, thats why people will come because they want to be apart of the show, if it is advertised right it could get even bigger being inside because there will be more room for more cars endless options of different activites to have within reason

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Bunique;243926 wrote:
How's is that any different in getting them here for an indoor show if they still have to drive from out of town....I don't know what I'm getting myself into. I'm sure you have a good answer....lol
I meant that the people from out of town won't drive all the way here knowing theres a chance it might get rained out...

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SPANISH-RICE;243930 wrote:
Outdoors with a wet t shirt contest, decibel comp, burnout comp, ... Open bar...

lol open bar + Burnout comp could lead to some interesting things. none the less it would be awesome to see any of those in the area

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