zbrown;286042 wrote:
meh, i heard he wouldn't race anyone anyway

you should re-check your sources.

weshole;286371 wrote:
Now THATS dedication.
I was so broke I had my GF enter so I could get her second pass haha.

ichibankilla;286369 wrote:
I was broke as joke so I pawned a few cd's and dvd's to get money to go.

Now THATS dedication.

zbrown;286042 wrote:
meh, i heard he wouldn't race anyone anyway
do tell....

Parker;286041 wrote:
it's a thing called ambition... and i have a very big lack of it...

meh, i heard he wouldn't race anyone anyway

zbrown;286040 wrote:
lol....

parker why didn't you take out the 7 and put his 120mph trap in 3rd to the test??
it's a thing called ambition... and i have a very big lack of it...

Parker;286039 wrote:
you tend to have better paint if you stay out of ditches.

Oh snap....

lol....

parker why didn't you take out the 7 and put his 120mph trap in 3rd to the test??

Oh snap....

i had a lot of fun, people told me a lot of good things.

Did i have higher expectations for my car, yes. but the 2 cars that beat me, did so fair and square. i cant complain one bit. their paint was obviously much better than mine.

big shout out to the TM crew for not only the show, but for helping me out with my brakes. I really needed those.

FG2;286025 wrote:
It makes it much more difficult to look at 2 kswapped/tucked/jdm civics and say 'this guy is better than the other'.
Extremely true!!! A lot of honda/civics are pretty much all the same.
After seeing Shanes ITR, i know i have my work cut out for me if i want to bring my tegger up next year. LOL. Like i said, it was worth 8 hours of seat time back and forth from Sioux Falls and will be there again next year. Fargo people know how to put on a good show and atmosphere IMO!!

fdfreak;286015 wrote:
Tintmasters, I want to thank you for the opportunity to be a judge. Although it was a lot of work ,I wouldnt hesitate to do it again.

On behalf of the judges, we appologize for awards. Just so you know, we had a time contraint of 2 min per car. so there were some administrative details that we didnt even think of. It is alot harder than you realize and anyone who has ever judged would agree. The owner of the widebody G35 had alot of insight and gave us two some great advice

as far as the outcomes of the awards, 95% of the awards were unanimous amongst all 3 judges. There were some categories that were very close but even under the time contraint we did not want to rush our decisions.

This is a fact, and I should probably make myself more clear about the lack of info with the trophies (Aaron, take no direct blame). As this show gets bigger and bigger, judging becomes harder and harder...Not only because of the quantity of cars, but also the quality. It makes it much more difficult to look at 2 kswapped/tucked/jdm civics and say 'this guy is better than the other'. It is also difficult because with 160 cars, and 4.5 hours to judge, that leaves ~90 seconds per car (hope to God the judge doesn't have to go to the bathroom/eat/rest/sneeze). The judges this year had their work cut out for them, and as I was sitting with them in the deliberation room, I realized the error in ME telling THEM to put cars down with the names. This was the first year that I think 99% of the trophies went to the proper winners.

To get a slideshow with every car organized in that small time frame would be impossible. We didn't have the winners figured out until 10:15pm, and that was with the judges running to double check a few thoughts on the cars at the last minute. We could make the show longer, but we have had feedback from past years that felt it drug on for too long (6 hours seems to be about right).

The next P10 show, I will make sure I give more information to go along with the trophies and winners vehicles.

95accord;286013 wrote:
Hey jason or anyone else that would know. what are the judges looking for just so i know what i can try and work on for next year.

As a general rule of thumb (speaking broadly about a variety of different shows I've judged, including past P10's), there are 7 main areas to concentrate on (and a number of little things within each category...I'll try and list the bulk of them):

Exterior:

[LIST=1]
[]Paint condition (Easiest way to ruin a show car is with crappy paint)
[]Factory Paint vs. Custom Paint (You don't NEED custom paint, but a good custom job in good condition will score better than factory 9/10 times)
[]Graphics (can help or hurt you depending on how well they are pulled off)
[]Body Kit/Aero Kit (Not all are created the same, better kits score better points)
[*]Custom Modifications (1 off stuff done tastefully)
[/LIST]
Interior:

[LIST=1]
[]Again custom is king and rarity of components scores points
[]Seats & Pedals are easy points, as is a harness bar. Re-covered interior parts get special attention as well
[]Spray painting your dash probably won't help you.
[]Everything inside the car should flow, including your gauge clusters...nothing should look out of place
[/LIST]
Suspension & Wheels:

[LIST=1]
[]Good quality components outscore lower quality ones, however, sometimes a person with a full set of Megan Racing suspension components (Sway bars, strut bars, coilovers, braces, etc...) will outscore the guy with just a set of Tein Basics. Also being damage free helps.
[]Wheel gap is ugly, but sometimes too much negative camber can make the car look goofy as well...so balance is key there.
[]CLEANLINESS. For the love of God, clean your wheels and wheel wells. We check for stuff like that.
[]Bring pictures of the stuff installed or bring a mirror to help me see it. Preferably both.
[/LIST]
ICE:

[LIST=1]
[]Integration is key. A well designed system that looks like it belongs will usually get a higher score from me than the "bling bling look at me" setup.
[]Good fitment is also desired. The system should be designed in such a manner that it looks like it is molded to the car OR is designed to snap into place.
[*]Better components score higher points. IOW, Diamond/JL/Zapco/MTX > Jensen/Audiobahn/Dual/Pyle
[/LIST]
Engine & Performance:

[LIST=1]
[]Modifications get you points. Ghetto installs lose you points. Dirt costs you points.
[]To score points you NEED to change things. IMHO an Impreza w/ a VF34 (STi) turbo system will score more points than an STi with just a 20G turbo upgrade due to what is being changed out.
[]Pictures are worth a 1000 words. I can't tear apart your engine so I need proof that you are really running the pistons you say you are. No proof, no points.
[]n2o is a cheap/easy way to score extra points. A well tucked system will score even more
[/LIST]

Cleanliness:

[LIST=1]
[]Clean everything. Every bolt, every screw, every crack & crevice. Even if I can't see it I will stick my finger in it to try and feel the dirt. Yes, I'm a prick. I don't care.
[]Clean everything again. You probably missed something
[]Have your buddy clean it for you.
[]If all else fails have Kevin @ SLD clean it or Tony at Muscatell.
[/LIST]
Presentation/Display:

[LIST=1]
[]This can make or break your chances of winning.
[]Be prepared to walk the judges through your car but give them time to ask questions about each aspect as well.
[]Know your car. Know why you did what you did. Why you chose this over that. Know what your parts do for you. Don't make shit up.
[]Have a build book that outlines all of the changes your car has undergone. Have receipts.
[]Bring your own lighting
[]Know the positives about your car as well as the negatives. If you see a judge heading towards a flaw, distract him. Get him to look elsewhere. We can't judge what we don't see.
[*]If they do find a flaw, tell them it happened on the way to the show (can really only tell them this once...if they are judging again next show you are screwed)
[/LIST]
HAVE FUN. Don't get pissed when you lose. It happens to everyone. Not everyone loves your car as much as you do. Also, don't be afraid to talk with judges after the show to see what they think you can improve on. Most will gladly point out a few things they see as needing improvement....also remember that judging is subjective and not objective. What appeals to one may appall another. Also, judges are human and make mistakes.

The 8hour(one way) drive up was well worth it to come up for the weekend.

I loved the K swap row and the sick wire tucks, along with all the other very nice and well built cars.

Models looked good, bikini contest was ok. Good looking girls, they just didnt seem to have the energy to get the crowd going, etc.

The group of us that came up from here had a fun time cruising around also. I don't know many of the people that we were cruising with besides Freitag, but even though I have a beat up civic hatch, everyone was saying it was sweet that I was rockin' a D in it. Still trying to figure out why. :icon_scratch:

Thanks to TM for putting on the show. I know I will be back up next year, probably with a few more people again.

On behalf of the judges, we appologize for awards. Just so you know, we had a time contraint of 2 min per car. so there were some administrative details that we didnt even think of. It is alot harder than you realize and anyone who has ever judged would agree. The owner of the widebody G35 had alot of insight and gave us two some great advice

as far as the outcomes of the awards, 95% of the awards were unanimous amongst all 3 judges. There were some categories that were very close but even under the time contraint we did not want to rush our decisions.