DaveH;322740 wrote:
Wow, it seems like Jim is turning into a gun toting right-wing whacko.

thrash;322789 wrote:
Exactly what I thought... A tear welled up inside when I started reading this thread...

the lord works in mysterious ways.

DaveH;322740 wrote:
Wow, it seems like Jim is turning into a gun toting right-wing whacko.

Exactly what I thought... A tear welled up inside when I started reading this thread...

Obviously I work with an ass-ton of immigrants. My boss has to drive up to the canadian border to deal with immigration nonsense at least once a month. Just the non-citizens on my tiny team contribute more tax revenue than huge handfulls or buildings of some of these other guys. And what does uncle sam do? He harasses my co-workers needlessly with irrelevant horseshit.

Everyone that wants to come here to work their ass off should be allowed to. And everybody that IS here -- born here or not -- who doesnt want to work their ass off needs to GTFO.

I know gobs of Microsofties from other places, many of them former communist nations. They are furious that this nation that they gave up everything to get to is following the same stupid policies and headed towards the same destructive destination as the hell-holes they emigrated from.

Trafik Jamz;322737 wrote:
What I haven't been able to nail down is exactly how much goes to each.

Its only the government (see: Ours), why should we get to know where it goes??

DaveH;322740 wrote:
Wow, it seems like Jim is turning into a gun toting, right-wing, whacko.

Can't speak for Jim, but I can say that I've always been at least two of those three things. LOL. The right-wing portion of the statement is a work in progress.

AcesHigh;322674 wrote:
Personally I think there needs to be some reform on aid for low-income families. Things like welfare and food stamps can make people lazy and do the opposite of what they are designed to do which is to get people back on their feet. It's not just the Midwest, it happens down in the South too, and even moreso. If you really think Bosnians (and I really hate to generalize here) are bad think of the 12 million illegal Hispanics in our country leaching off our education system, road taxes, welfare, etc.

There is a major problem with our country these past few decades and I genuinely believe this is the reason why the United States is on the decline (China's economy is supposedly to surpass the US within the next few years). And, unfortunately, it does happen largely in part due to minorities. My girlfriend is from Texas, and I know for a fact there are many people down there claiming disability and receiving money from the government because they got fake paperwork from corrupted (minority) doctors. Or they will claim welfare and hide all their assets because they work at a (minority) place that pays in cash. That place will also avoid taxes too.

It's a huge looming problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, this charity money doesn't work because it is too easy to manipulate. In the end, the government is giving handouts to people who don't need them and will turn around to buy fancy cars and houses. I know a lady in Texas who receives welfare checks and used them to buy a brand new house. It's ridiculous.

With all that said, I was a refugee. I came here with my parents as a refugee back in 1990. I worked hard and studied hard and ended up in pharmacy school here at NDSU. If I wasn't given the opportunity to come to this great country I would not be where I am today (I came from a war torn country). When we came here we did not get any welfare money, and my mom and dad had to build everything we have now with their two bare hands. Would free federal money been nice? Sure, it might have made things easier. Was it necessary? No. New Americans just need guidance, not government handouts.

Diversity is a good thing for this country. Having more minorities isn't the problem in America because once we are here we are all Americans (except for the illegals, obviously). Unfortunately what happens is people find themselves comfortable with always getting free money and they finding loopholes and ways to cheat the system. That's the hole that America needs to fix.

I don't know you, but Congratulations to you. That is exactly what America is SUPPOSE to be, you are a fine example.

Eurofan;322725 wrote:
Government fees and grants .........................7,565,368

Are you fucking kidding me?

In MN it is $73,804,000.... if that makes you feel better.

Trafik Jamz;322701 wrote:
Funding for LSS in ND:

http://www.lssnd.org/publications/annual-reports/financialst-10.pdf

MN:

http://www.lssmn.org/About-Us/Financials/

And yeah. They can shut off the funding for them at any time and it won't offend me in any way shape or form.

Government fees and grants .........................7,565,368

Are you fucking kidding me?

Rexwagon;322684 wrote:
anyone else see LSS is building a brand new building by rasmussen college off of 42nd? Apparently they are getting plenty of funding. whoever decides that must be on crack. All I got to say is fucken liberals.

Funding for LSS in ND:

http://www.lssnd.org/publications/annual-reports/financialst-10.pdf

MN:

http://www.lssmn.org/About-Us/Financials/

And yeah. They can shut off the funding for them at any time and it won't offend me in any way shape or form.

PSiedTSi;322649 wrote:
I was under the impression they give them X amount of time to be self sufficient then they are cut off assistance...not sure if that is true or not. If it is true, I believe that to be the reason of them grouping up to live together on someone else's assistance.

I have met plenty of good down to earth refugees that really want to make the most of their life here(the ones we had in HS were definitely not leeches). That said, unfortunately it is the ones that are bad that stand out. It also seems like it is MOSTLY the parents that are the respectable ones and their kids are wayyy of the path. They probably aren't ready to parent here in the US...I'm sure it's quite different.

Couldn't have said it better myself man.

AcesHigh;322674 wrote:
Personally I think there needs to be some reform on aid for low-income families. Things like welfare and food stamps can make people lazy and do the opposite of what they are designed to do which is to get people back on their feet. It's not just the Midwest, it happens down in the South too, and even moreso. If you really think Bosnians (and I really hate to generalize here) are bad think of the 12 million illegal Hispanics in our country leaching off our education system, road taxes, welfare, etc.

There is a major problem with our country these past few decades and I genuinely believe this is the reason why the United States is on the decline (China's economy is supposedly to surpass the US within the next few years). And, unfortunately, it does happen largely in part due to minorities. My girlfriend is from Texas, and I know for a fact there are many people down there claiming disability and receiving money from the government because they got fake paperwork from corrupted (minority) doctors. Or they will claim welfare and hide all their assets because they work at a (minority) place that pays in cash. That place will also avoid taxes too.

It's a huge looming problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, this charity money doesn't work because it is too easy to manipulate. In the end, the government is giving handouts to people who don't need them and will turn around to buy fancy cars and houses. I know a lady in Texas who receives welfare checks and used them to buy a brand new house. It's ridiculous.

With all that said, I was a refugee. I came here with my parents as a refugee back in 1990. I worked hard and studied hard and ended up in pharmacy school here at NDSU. If I wasn't given the opportunity to come to this great country I would not be where I am today (I came from a war torn country). When we came here we did not get any welfare money, and my mom and dad had to build everything we have now with their two bare hands. Would free federal money been nice? Sure, it might have made things easier. Was it necessary? No. New Americans just need guidance, not government handouts.

Diversity is a good thing for this country. Having more minorities isn't the problem in America because once we are here we are all Americans (except for the illegals, obviously). Unfortunately what happens is people find themselves comfortable with always getting free money and they finding loopholes and ways to cheat the system. That's the hole that America needs to fix.

Exactly. I have clients that deal with assistance in housing, as well as friends and family members that deal with properties. The system IS a problem. For example, I was talking with a client a few months back about how the assistance works. It actually PUNISHES you for going out and getting a job of any kind. They drop you off of assistance as soon as you get the job. Fine. BUT, the issue lies with the fact that you actually make less money doing something at McDonalds for $7.50/hr versus living on assistance. There needs to be a gradual scale of assistance..not just on or off. It just creates a messy situation of someone needing to get worse before it gets better. They also mentioned that they get money for their utility bills, and generally don't spend it on that. Then, they go crying to LSS about how their electricity, etc will be shut off...they get cut another check to pay for their bills. This isn't all minorities either, there is just as much white trash out there..

Rexwagon;322684 wrote:
anyone else see LSS is building a brand new building by rasmussen college off of 42nd? Apparently they are getting plenty of funding. whoever decides that must be on crack. All I got to say is fucken jesus freaks.

fixt.

AcesHigh;322674 wrote:
Personally I think there needs to be some reform on aid for low-income families. Things like welfare and food stamps can make people lazy and do the opposite of what they are designed to do which is to get people back on their feet. It's not just the Midwest, it happens down in the South too, and even moreso. If you really think Bosnians (and I really hate to generalize here) are bad think of the 12 million illegal Hispanics in our country leaching off our education system, road taxes, welfare, etc.

There is a major problem with our country these past few decades and I genuinely believe this is the reason why the United States is on the decline (China's economy is supposedly to surpass the US within the next few years). And, unfortunately, it does happen largely in part due to minorities. My girlfriend is from Texas, and I know for a fact there are many people down there claiming disability and receiving money from the government because they got fake paperwork from corrupted (minority) doctors. Or they will claim welfare and hide all their assets because they work at a (minority) place that pays in cash. That place will also avoid taxes too.

It's a huge looming problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, this charity money doesn't work because it is too easy to manipulate. In the end, the government is giving handouts to people who don't need them and will turn around to buy fancy cars and houses. I know a lady in Texas who receives welfare checks and used them to buy a brand new house. It's ridiculous.

With all that said, I was a refugee. I came here with my parents as a refugee back in 1990. I worked hard and studied hard and ended up in pharmacy school here at NDSU. If I wasn't given the opportunity to come to this great country I would not be where I am today (I came from a war torn country). When we came here we did not get any welfare money, and my mom and dad had to build everything we have now with their two bare hands. Would free federal money been nice? Sure, it might have made things easier. Was it necessary? No. New Americans just need guidance, not government handouts.

Diversity is a good thing for this country. Having more minorities isn't the problem in America because once we are here we are all Americans (except for the illegals, obviously). Unfortunately what happens is people find themselves comfortable with always getting free money and they finding loopholes and ways to cheat the system. That's the hole that America needs to fix.

Young Jawas please read what this country can do for you if you take full advantage of the opportunities that you are provided with.

There is a major problem with our country these past few decades and I genuinely believe this is the reason why the United States is on the decline (China's economy is supposedly to surpass the US within the next few years). And, unfortunately, it does happen largely in part due to minorities. My girlfriend is from Texas, and I know for a fact there are many people down there claiming disability and receiving money from the government because they got fake paperwork from corrupted (minority) doctors. Or they will claim welfare and hide all their assets because they work at a (minority) place that pays in cash. That place will also avoid taxes too.

It's a huge looming problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, this charity money doesn't work because it is too easy to manipulate. In the end, the government is giving handouts to people who don't need them and will turn around to buy fancy cars and houses. I know a lady in Texas who receives welfare checks and used them to buy a brand new house. It's ridiculous.

With all that said, I was a refugee. I came here with my parents as a refugee back in 1990. I worked hard and studied hard and ended up in pharmacy school here at NDSU. If I wasn't given the opportunity to come to this great country I would not be where I am today (I came from a war torn country). When we came here we did not get any welfare money, and my mom and dad had to build everything we have now with their two bare hands. Would free federal money been nice? Sure, it might have made things easier. Was it necessary? No. New Americans just need guidance, not government handouts.

Diversity is a good thing for this country. Having more minorities isn't the problem in America because once we are here we are all Americans (except for the illegals, obviously). Unfortunately what happens is people find themselves comfortable with always getting free money and they finding loopholes and ways to cheat the system. That's the hole that America needs to fix.

-Eric

PSiedTSi;322649 wrote:
I have met plenty of good down to earth refugees that really want to make the most of their life here(the ones we had in HS were definitely not leeches). That said, unfortunately it is the ones that are bad that stand out.

+1

GarageAlchemist;322645 wrote:
i think they need to do like annual follow up studies with how things are ACTUALLY going with these people. If they aren't off welfare in say, 2 years, then send em back. If they don't graduate high school, send em back. If they aren't employed in x amount of time, send them back. If they don't pay taxes in x amount of time, send them back. Give them the opportunity, but if they take it, and they don't deliver, then send them back.

I was under the impression they give them X amount of time to be self sufficient then they are cut off assistance...not sure if that is true or not. If it is true, I believe that to be the reason of them grouping up to live together on someone else's assistance.

I have met plenty of good down to earth refugees that really want to make the most of their life here(the ones we had in HS were definitely not leeches). That said, unfortunately it is the ones that are bad that stand out. It also seems like it is MOSTLY the parents that are the respectable ones and their kids are wayyy of the path. They probably aren't ready to parent here in the US...I'm sure it's quite different.