homer wrote:
I thought the leather whip & mask were a nice touch though!!

I thought Sheldon Root's 8 Second pass in the Street Legal Vega was impressive, hard to believe he still cruises on the streets with it,what a freaky accident to shut him down early.

The guys nuts running those times on the street legal tires he has......(Correction, I errored, he is Canadian...... :eek: )

2wheeler
Senior Member

9.26 @ 151

Way too hot to be in a leather suit.

I thought the leather whip & mask were a nice touch though!!

I thought Sheldon Root's 8 Second pass in the Street Legal Vega was impressive, hard to believe he still cruises on the streets with it,what a freaky accident to shut him down early.

The guys nuts running those times on the street legal tires he has......(Correction, I errored, he is Canadian...... :eek: )

Turbo5Oh wrote:
torque is pretty sweet thing to have also

and for people like me, it's the only thing we've got going for us.

treimche wrote:
On the topic............ Best I could run on pump gas on saturday was a 12.0 @ 114 w/ a 1.66 60ft. Then on sunday on the leaded 111 gas and more boost, best I could run was a 11.59 @ 121 w/ a 1.70 60 ft. Note that there had been NO tuning done before the drags at all. So I had to do some on the track. But with the hot ass weather I was always getting knock in 4th gear, sometimes even 3rd gear.

Your car looked and sounded really good with more boost.

From looking @ the FP's for the WRX they appear to be dry housings which would mean they are standard conventionl bearing not BB

Turbo5Oh wrote:
torque is pretty sweet thing to have also

Yes it is, which is why I had 426 lb-ft of it in my talon, well more than that but when I tried to dyno on a good tune, my clutch was shot.

Nick T.: Yes, the Red is BASED on the 60-1, but the current version of the Red designed & flanged for the WRX/STi spools ages before a traditional 60-1 would. They are currently ball bearing and full boost is achieved by ~4300 RPM on a 2.0 Liter and ~3900 RPM on a 2.5 Liter.

Schell: I agree, torque is nice....thats why I have a suby...heh

95TsiAWD wrote:
Yeah a v8 spools faster, but it wont rev out as much either, when it comes down to it, a turbo 4 cylinder and a turbo v8 have about the same 3-4k power range.

torque is pretty sweet thing to have also

tjamz wrote:
I've always been a fan of race gas, I run 111 whenever I'm at the track and usually run a blend of 111 and 92 the rest of the time.

I swear you and Kark were saying race gas was a waste of time...see below:

STiSchucky wrote:
some gay time like 13.4.

im never running race gas again. overrated shit.

tjamz wrote:
I've said that before too..........

That is what I thought Oh, and I consider 111 piss, C16 is race gas! Just kidding, but it is a world of difference between the two. I will never use 110 or 111 or whatever again, just the really expensive stuff that made my car run way better.

Turbo5Oh wrote:
you mean not everyones car is at full boost at 2700rpm? boy that must suck!
(just had to rub it in a little)

p.s. race gas is for girls

Schell, I would hope your car spools then because you only get to rev to what, 5500? heh.

You are just mad because your block would split in half if you tried to run enough boost that you needed race fuel

Turbo5Oh wrote:
you mean not everyones car is at full boost at 2700rpm? boy that must suck!
(just had to rub it in a little)

p.s. race gas is for girls

Yeah but also consider turbo 4 cylinders are revving out to 8k, 9k and even higher. We arent seeing full boost until 5k.. but that leaves us 3-4k of power range.

Yeah a v8 spools faster, but it wont rev out as much either, when it comes down to it, a turbo 4 cylinder and a turbo v8 have about the same 3-4k power range.

integra_gsr98 wrote:
Fast spool + wicked fast car = not gonna happen unless it's a v8.

you mean not everyones car is at full boost at 2700rpm? boy that must suck!
(just had to rub it in a little)

p.s. race gas is for girls

91nbtsi wrote:
Maybe I will get yours and Kark's approval to use race gas in even!

I've always been a fan of race gas, I run 111 whenever I'm at the track and usually run a blend of 111 and 92 the rest of the time.

Bigger = better right?

DaveH wrote:

Haha, I like your addition to his quote there Dave. Nice touch;)

91nbtsi wrote:
Yes, you have a good argument. BUT, for myself, and most others on this board, the car is just never fast enough!! Maybe you could put a 50trim(green) on your car, and call it good, I would not be able to do that. I am pretty sure I am going to get another DSM, I miss going fast. It will have a really big turbo, and really high boost;) Maybe I will get yours and Kark's approval to use race gas in even!

Basically, it all depends on what you want out of your car. I started playing with smaller turbos, 60trims;) Just kept moving up.

I'm in the same boat as Nate, you'll notice that the turbo in my car keeps getting larger every year.

tjamz wrote:
To summarize, yes a big turbo is great at all times, but I don't race my car at all, much less than 1% of the time, therefore a "small" green or red seems like the logical choice for girlie men.

tjamz wrote:
You are 100% correct, but could the argument not be made that if a Green can get you 11's and maybe even 10's, have minimal lag AND be a reasonable daily driver on a car that is pretty much built from the factory for road course/auto-x, that it would be a good choice for someone who isn't building a drag specific car, but rather something that will do well (not great, but decent) in all avenues of personal use and race?

I agree that larger turbos will make more power at lower boost, the STi block has been proven to withstand 25psi on a bone stock bottom end and last for quite a while, heck my bottom end has been exposed to 24psi+ several times w/ no problems (other than 1 blown exhaust gasket). All I'm saying is that I understand why people get larger turbos when they are going for a racing type application, but it seems noone will even consider a smaller turbo w/ higher boost and less lag as a compromise, even if that compromise can yield (sometimes) similar results at the strip.

To summarize, yes a big turbo is great for dragracing, but I drag race my car less than 1% of the time, therefore a "small" green or red seems like the logical choice.

Yes, you have a good argument. BUT, for myself, and most others on this board, the car is just never fast enough!! Maybe you could put a 50trim(green) on your car, and call it good, I would not be able to do that. I am pretty sure I am going to get another DSM, I miss going fast. It will have a really big turbo, and really high boost;) Maybe I will get yours and Kark's approval to use race gas in even!

Basically, it all depends on what you want out of your car. I started playing with smaller turbos, 60trims;) Just kept moving up.

91nbtsi wrote:
There is no flip side.

You can't build a car to be great at both drag racing and Auto-X. You can make one to do ok at both, or great at one or the other. I am so sick of hearing people whine about turbo spooling, if you want a little turbo that spools instantly when driving around the street, then don't whine when your car is slow. Same goes for the guy that wants to be fast at the drag strip, don't whine when your turbo doesn't spool at idle. I don't hear as many as the 2nd type of whiners, but it happens. An engine is simply an air pump, more air you put through, the more power you get out(along with more fuel), end of story.

You are 100% correct, but could the argument not be made that if a Green can get you 11's and maybe even 10's, have minimal lag AND be a reasonable daily driver on a car that is pretty much built from the factory for road course/auto-x, that it would be a good choice for someone who isn't building a drag specific car, but rather something that will do well (not great, but decent) in all avenues of personal use and race?

I agree that larger turbos will make more power at lower boost, the STi block has been proven to withstand 25psi on a bone stock bottom end and last for quite a while, heck my bottom end has been exposed to 24psi+ several times w/ no problems (other than 1 blown exhaust gasket). All I'm saying is that I understand why people get larger turbos when they are going for a racing type application, but it seems noone will even consider a smaller turbo w/ higher boost and less lag as a compromise, even if that compromise can yield (sometimes) similar results at the strip.

To summarize, yes a big turbo is great for dragracing, but I drag race my car less than 1% of the time, therefore a "small" green or red seems like the logical choice.

Fast spool + wicked fast car = not gonna happen unless it's a v8.