bubba;224021 wrote:
Well i know trevor is gonna flame me for this... but how good would e85 hold up to an all motor car? How much compression could u actually run with it compared to premium or race gas?

It is ~105 octane and is oxygenated (I believe) so whatever amount of compression you can run normally with 105 octane gas w/o knock/ping/detonation

inspector01;224008 wrote:
Exactly, E85.

I know... that's why i said earlier i'd rather have that then race gas...

bubba;224002 wrote:
but thats no fun... i can think of a few situations where itd be handy to have all ur power, lol

Exactly, E85.

SPANISH-RICE;223994 wrote:
most people dont go on trip with their race gas tune. they run low boost and pump gas if need be

but thats no fun... i can think of a few situations where itd be handy to have all ur power, lol

Parker;223921 wrote:
big tobacco..

but i bet their some kind of cuddle buddies

SPANISH-RICE;223809 wrote:
what doesnt big oil own
big tobacco..

Joel;223814 wrote:
if only we could implement mass transportation as good as european and asian countries, along with geothermal/wind/solar energy into our homes and commercial property along with simply reducing energy usage and we would have ourselves a much better world.

It would be sweet if we had mass transportation like Europe. And the house in PR and the resturant are geothermal.

Joel;223814 wrote:
I own a fuel flex vehicle. Do i run it on ethanol? nope, cuz it runs like shit. I believe ethanol is a small step in the right direction. The American public is too stubborn and stupid to realize something until its too late(eg: Fuel shortage/Cost). if only we could implement mass transportation as good as european and asian countries, along with geothermal/wind/solar energy into our homes and commercial property along with simply reducing energy usage and we would have ourselves a much better world.

if your car runs like shit when you switched over to E85 then youre doing something wrong. you have to have less than 10% of a tank of fuel and then you have to put in a FULL tank of gas. the fuel eye needs to read more than 35% ethanol or it wont switch over to ethanol maps let alone correct for it.

SPANISH-RICE;223809 wrote:
what doesnt big oil own

ME!!!!!!!!

Parker;223806 wrote:
this may be true... but the sad thing is from what i remember... is big oil owns alot of the ethanol factories

what doesnt big oil own

inspector01;223802 wrote:
A few other things to consider:

Although the government subsidizes some of the production of corn and ethanol, it also saves the government some money by providing jobs in production which brings in tax money, and keeps some ppl off unemployment so a lot of this money is offset.

Ethanol is helping keep oil prices down because OPEC is keeping oil prices low enough that Ethanol is not as attractive of an option. If ethanol wasn't available, oil prices would have nothing competing to keep them down.
this may be true... but the sad thing is from what i remember... is big oil owns alot of the ethanol factories

PSI2HI;223712 wrote:
Rumor has it corn is supposed to rise to $8/bushel which is going to make things interesting.
man, i cant wait for that to happen.... corn futures for december were up to $7.50 at one point... why? because people are planting less of it/ drought and or flood in the mid corn belt... what alot of peolpe dont get is that if the prce for something was high last year (wheat)... dosent mean that it will be high again the folowing year... less corn, higher demand, higher price.. economics... :icon_cheers:

Although the government subsidizes some of the production of corn and ethanol, it also saves the government some money by providing jobs in production which brings in tax money, and keeps some ppl off unemployment so a lot of this money is offset.

Ethanol is helping keep oil prices down because OPEC is keeping oil prices low enough that Ethanol is not as attractive of an option. If ethanol wasn't available, oil prices would have nothing competing to keep them down.

Rexwagon;223791 wrote:
http://www.ncpa.org/sid/2005/20050605.htm

One report by the U.S. Agriculture department determined that every $1 spent subsidizing ethanol costs consumers more than $4
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html

The problem with most Anti-Ethanol website links are they are outdated information, your top link is from 2004, so 4 year old information, and your bottom link is from 1995, a 13 year old source. The cost of ethanol has decreased significantly every year. I will find some papers that i wrote about ethanol that showed how much the cost to produce had decreased in a short period of time.

Rexwagon;223791 wrote:
http://www.ncpa.org/sid/2005/20050605.htm

One report by the U.S. Agriculture department determined that every $1 spent subsidizing ethanol costs consumers more than $4
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html

I came across that report as well. I can't find another report to back it up...especially not a recent one.

tjamz;223789 wrote:
Proof?

http://www.ncpa.org/sid/2005/20050605.htm

One report by the U.S. Agriculture department determined that every $1 spent subsidizing ethanol costs consumers more than $4
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html