DaveH wrote:
There'd be a lotta people on death row with hair growing on their palms.....
I'd be carrying two life sentences today alone....SHIT WAS THAT OUT LOUD?!?!?

HandoEX wrote:
That is awesome!!! Fault for this person's diagnosis is squarely on the medical professional who made the diagnosis. I am not condoning pulling the plug on anyone unless it is deemed 100% completely true that the person will not survive. All I am saying is someone truly having no chance of survival is different from an unborn child who does have that chance.
Yeah, them Mayo clinic doctors are dumb....

tjamz wrote:
It could also be debated that a sperm cell is capable of becoming a human being and should always have a chance at life...therefore masturbation should carry the death penalty due to the murderous act of killing sperm cells.
Ya; same thing with the embryo's of Females; should each one that comes out be saved for people who want to be fertalized w/o having intercourse or whateva... This is a very controversial subject; people tend to lean each way w/ different reasons. If a girl wanted to not have a kid and couldn't get abortion I think she could abuse her body just enough to have a miscarriage... To most girls; having a child put up for adoption is hard; because once the baby is born they may become attached. Even though they regret having to go thru the 9 months.. Who knows; there is no "good" answer. I don't think abortion should be 100% legal or 100% illegal.. (cuz reasons can fall both ways..) IMO

tjamz wrote:
It could also be debated that a sperm cell is capable of becoming a human being and should always have a chance at life...therefore masturbation should carry the death penalty due to the murderous act of killing sperm cells.
There'd be a lotta people on death row with hair growing on their palms.....

tjamz wrote:
Not necessarily true, I know firsthand of a person who was on life support, the doctors gave him zero chance of living but his family insisted he stay on at least until their insurance ran out....4 weeks later he left the hospital on foot. He is now 25 years old.
That is awesome!!! Fault for this person's diagnosis is squarely on the medical professional who made the diagnosis. I am not condoning pulling the plug on anyone unless it is deemed 100% completely true that the person will not survive. All I am saying is someone truly having no chance of survival is different from an unborn child who does have that chance.

tjamz wrote:
It could also be debated that a sperm cell is capable of becoming a human being and should always have a chance at life...therefore masturbation should carry the death penalty due to the murderous act of killing sperm cells.
Again, apples and oranges. A sperm cell COULD create life. A sperm cell meeting an egg DOES create life.

HandoEX wrote:
Someone on life support does not have a chance at a fruitful life. An unborn child should have that chance. Apples and oranges.
Not necessarily true, I know firsthand of a person who was on life support, the doctors gave him zero chance of living but his family insisted he stay on at least until their insurance ran out....4 weeks later he left the hospital on foot. He is now 25 years old.

tjamz wrote:
At what point does it actually become a child is my question. Is it at conception when it is merely a massively multiplying group of cells? Is it at 6 weeks when it has finally started to take some shape? is it @ 4 months when the heart starts beating? Is it around 6 months when the brain starts showing activity? I'd be more willing to say around 6 months personally....afterall, if someone is brain dead or on life support, the family of the individual can pull the plug.
Conception, in my opinion.
I don't think you should compare someone being brain dead and on life support with a developing child. Someone on life support does not have a chance at a fruitful life. An unborn child should have that chance. Apples and oranges.

DaveH wrote:
There is no logical explanation for that Chuck. It must have been the alignment of the moon and the stars that screwed you up.

Or the beer and the women....who knows

HandoEX wrote:
IMO, the child still deserves a chance. One could say that many babies would be born with birth defects. True. What about those kids who would have been born perfectly healthy? I think that just because some women abuse themselves and their fetuses during pregnancy, a generalization should not be made. IMO, abortions should be allowed if 1) when severe life threatening risks are associated with birth, 2) The pregnancy is caused by rape.
Irresponsibility is not an excuse. I would venture to say that more than 75% of abortions are among women (and girls) who are not into drugs or abusing their bodies while they are pregnant. I think your excuse is an overgeneralization and a poor excuse.
Millions of people are looking into adoptions. Abortion is just an easy way out of responsibility.
At what point does it actually become a child is my question. Is it at conception when it is merely a massively multiplying group of cells? Is it at 6 weeks when it has finally started to take some shape? is it @ 4 months when the heart starts beating? Is it around 6 months when the brain starts showing activity? I'd be more willing to say around 6 months personally....afterall, if someone is brain dead or on life support, the family of the individual can pull the plug.

tjamz wrote:
Since I considered myself a Republican before I was 18 and a democrat after does that mean that I was smart enough at a young age to follow my heart?
There is no logical explanation for that Chuck. It must have been the alignment of the moon and the stars that screwed you up.