integra_gsr98 wrote:
We could work something out for that. Is the ECU for the vehicle chipped already? Or does it still have to be socketed?

Well, I was planning on sending it away to get it socketed, but if you know how to do it, I'll give you some business. I'll need a map for my soon-to-be setup, and then we'll have to do it again in about a year when I go turbo. Let me know.

integra_gsr98 wrote:
If you want to stick with the chipped route the minimum I would recommend would be to go with an older Hondata 2b. (right around $400 for this setup) That way there will be boost tables, legit heavily used software, and I have everything necessary to tune and install it. The only thing necessary would be the use of my stage 4 system for datalogging during the initial tune.

Otherwise I also have Uberdata laying around, (right around $25 for this setup) and although it has zero datalogging capabilities, I know tuftes wideband should be able to handle rpm to a/f ratio logging.

I'd rather stay away from hondata just for cost reasons, and would prefer to tune with uberdata or turbo edit witha wideband. How much for your time and a burned chip?

Otherwise I also have Uberdata laying around, (right around $25 for this setup) and although it has zero datalogging capabilities, I know tuftes wideband should be able to handle rpm to a/f ratio logging.

PSI2HI wrote:
Shit, i've seen you drive down Fiechtner past the shop numerous times. I think you were in GF when i was up there this past summer w/ my white Teg. IntegraGSR_98 has a editotr/romulator and i have the wideband, etc..

I was never in GF, but you've maybe seen me around town.

I'm giving this AFC option a bit more thought, and I will look into it. HOWEVER...

There is still a chance I'd like to stay the chipped route. In this case, I need to figure out what kind of editor to use for a pr3, then we could strap it on your wideband and create/burn maps. I wish I had some experience with map editing.

seanjohn wrote:
I've got a suzuka blue crx hf. The reason I'm going to supercharge is I'm running about 10.4:1 compressions plus a 100shot now. I'm gonna drop the shot to 75, and I don't want to change the bottom end setup...the most boost I will probably run is 7lbs or so, and for that amount of boost a JR is cheaper. Do you have a rom burner Nick, or editor of any sort (Hondata, AEM)?

Shit, i've seen you drive down Fiechtner past the shop numerous times. I think you were in GF when i was up there this past summer w/ my white Teg. IntegraGSR_98 has a editotr/romulator and i have the wideband, etc..

LankorDie wrote:
I'm also quite interested in this question. BTW sean we can do datalogging if you ever need to do that.

Do you have a Wide Band Sean?

I thought about buying one with my brother, I'm actually looking into it now. But if SLS isn't too expensive I might just end up using theirs.

seanjohn wrote:
Do you have a rom burner Nick, or editor of any sort (Hondata, AEM)?

I'm also quite interested in this question. BTW sean we can do datalogging if you ever need to do that.

Do you have a Wide Band Sean?

PSI2HI wrote:
You have that green 4dr integra? I'd turbo way before i ever thought of supercharging, why no turbo?

I've got a suzuka blue crx hf. The reason I'm going to supercharge is I'm running about 10.4:1 compressions plus a 100shot now. I'm gonna drop the shot to 75, and I don't want to change the bottom end setup...the most boost I will probably run is 7lbs or so, and for that amount of boost a JR is cheaper. Do you have a rom burner Nick, or editor of any sort (Hondata, AEM)?

seanjohn wrote:
I have a base map burned typically to get the car in range of a good tune. Since Dyno tuning is usually around $100 an hour, I like to get it as close as I can before I bring it in. I run a nitroused ls/vtec right now, but it is soon to be supercharged around 7lbs. If you can promise me a near perfect tune on your wideband with and AFC for a descent price, you've got yourself a new customer. I haven't used an AFC before, but if it really is that easy I'll bite on it.

You have that green 4dr integra? I'd turbo way before i ever thought of supercharging, why no turbo?

PSI2HI wrote:
For most people a chip would work if it was burnt on the dyno and tuned perfectly. Most people dont do that though they order these chips offline that are burnt based off a setup and they are never close the A/F maps are junk and they make no power. For simplicity, i can take a car put a AFC on it, slap the wideband on, go out for a half hour and be done w/ a perfectly tuned car now the persaon doesn't have to worry about finding a dyno, finding someone to adjust their chip, and finding someone to reburn the chip.

I have a base map burned typically to get the car in range of a good tune. Since Dyno tuning is usually around $100 an hour, I like to get it as close as I can before I bring it in. I run a nitroused ls/vtec right now, but it is soon to be supercharged around 7lbs. If you can promise me a near perfect tune on your wideband with and AFC for a descent price, you've got yourself a new customer. I haven't used an AFC before, but if it really is that easy I'll bite on it.

PSI2HI wrote:
Are you even running a boosted setup? On a NA application this isn't even worth it for a car w/ bolt on's. You can pick up brand new AFC2's for $300, less if you go for an old AFC. @ this rate you have the on the fly adjustability. We have dyno'd many vehicles w/ these chips burnt based off the setup, they are never even close. What the point of having that chip burnt when your gonna go back in there and redo it anyways. How would you even know where to start if you were going to burn me a chip for my setup w/o having the vehicle on a wideband.

For most people a chip would work if it was burnt on the dyno and tuned perfectly. Most people dont do that though they order these chips offline that are burnt based off a setup and they are never close the A/F maps are junk and they make no power. For simplicity, i can take a car put a AFC on it, slap the wideband on, go out for a half hour and be done w/ a perfectly tuned car now the persaon doesn't have to worry about finding a dyno, finding someone to adjust their chip, and finding someone to reburn the chip.

seanjohn wrote:
I do not recall ever saying AFC was not the correct way to tune, If I did...It was simply a misunderstanding. I am NOT the type of person to claim that what I do is THE right way. However, chipped ECU's have always worked for me. Maybe AFC's have always worked for you...but the vast majority of people I talk to suggest staying away from AFC's.

Typically, what I do is have a chip burned based on my setup. I then take this base map and have it tuned of A/F ratio. I do this because my setup is a little beyond mild. For the typical streetcar with bolt-on's I don't find it absolutely essential...of course you will gain some power, but its a trade in with the $ factor. I don't even know what the hell we are talking about, cause it sounds like you agree with what I do is right, and I'm definitely not saying your way is wrong. Different strokes for different folks. Just for shits it cost me app. $300 for a near perfect tune...what does it cost to go the AFC route. I'm curious, like I said, I have little-to-no experience with the AFC.

Are you even running a boosted setup? On a NA application this isn't even worth it for a car w/ bolt on's. You can pick up brand new AFC2's for $300, less if you go for an old AFC. @ this rate you have the on the fly adjustability. We have dyno'd many vehicles w/ these chips burnt based off the setup, they are never even close. What the point of having that chip burnt when your gonna go back in there and redo it anyways. How would you even know where to start if you were going to burn me a chip for my setup w/o having the vehicle on a wideband.

PSI2HI wrote:
So basically we're back to the point of buring a chip based off a setup not based off logs/A/F ratios. Because if your not the one creating the maps or buring the chips who is? If your just telling someone your setup and their burning a chip of that there is no way its a perfect tune. Tuning a chip is damn near basically the same as tuning a full standalone just the fgact you dont have any adjustabilityonce the chip is burnt. Where you not the one who said in the last thread a AFC is not the correct or right way to accomodate for larger injectors? If you have no experience w/ using an AFC you shouldn't be commenting that its not the right way to do things. It is by far the easiest way and you have on the fly adjustability for weather changes, altitude, race gas, etc..

I do not recall ever saying AFC was not the correct way to tune, If I did...It was simply a misunderstanding. I am NOT the type of person to claim that what I do is THE right way. However, chipped ECU's have always worked for me. Maybe AFC's have always worked for you...but the vast majority of people I talk to suggest staying away from AFC's.

Typically, what I do is have a chip burned based on my setup. I then take this base map and have it tuned of A/F ratio. I do this because my setup is a little beyond mild. For the typical streetcar with bolt-on's I don't find it absolutely essential...of course you will gain some power, but its a trade in with the $ factor. I don't even know what the hell we are talking about, cause it sounds like you agree with what I do is right, and I'm definitely not saying your way is wrong. Different strokes for different folks. Just for shits it cost me app. $300 for a near perfect tune...what does it cost to go the AFC route. I'm curious, like I said, I have little-to-no experience with the AFC.

seanjohn wrote:
Oh nick, you really know how to gain yourself some business don't you? I never claimed to use and AFC, I have always used burned chips, and I have NEVER had a problem running one. I have never blown motors (can you say that???) If when you sayed that "Im not the one even doing it, bwa-ha-hah-ha" you mean that I don't create and burn my own maps??? Then yeah. I don't. There are people out there who are far better tuners with better equipment than me...I leave it up to the pro's. Furthermore, I never bashed an AFC, I came straight out and said I have no experience with it, can claimed everything I stated was strictly "what I heard". I would love to burn you a chip, but I don't have the means to do it. If you want to front the cash moneybags, I'll get you a chip.

It sounds like you just really want to bitch and prove you are right. I use chips, they work perfect for me, and right now I have a damn perfect tune on my car without standalone or AFC, and I'm willing to bet I spent less. I'm not sayinr your way is wrong, I'm just saying MY WAY WORKS. Quit arguing on the internet trying to make yourself seem like your the god damn best, don't you have a shop to run or something?

So basically we're back to the point of buring a chip based off a setup not based off logs/A/F ratios. Because if your not the one creating the maps or buring the chips who is? If your just telling someone your setup and their burning a chip of that there is no way its a perfect tune. Tuning a chip is damn near basically the same as tuning a full standalone just the fgact you dont have any adjustabilityonce the chip is burnt. Where you not the one who said in the last thread a AFC is not the correct or right way to accomodate for larger injectors? If you have no experience w/ using an AFC you shouldn't be commenting that its not the right way to do things. It is by far the easiest way and you have on the fly adjustability for weather changes, altitude, race gas, etc..

seanjohn wrote:
If you want to front the cash moneybags, I'll get you a chip.

It sounds like you just really want to bitch and prove you are right. I use chips, they work perfect for me, and right now I have a damn perfect tune on my car without standalone or AFC, and I'm willing to bet I spent less. I'm not sayinr your way is wrong, I'm just saying MY WAY WORKS. Quit arguing on the internet trying to make yourself seem like your the god damn best, don't you have a shop to run or something?

I spent 3 hours on the dyno with Hondata and my tune wasn't perfect when I was done with my car. It ran hard but as soon as it got to the track the added load was making it load up on top. I didn't have time to make those changes at the track.

I have a full xtronics emulator/burner setup so you get me a .bin file for Nick's hatch and I'll donate the eeprom and the time to burn it.

PSI2HI wrote:
Haha, you did all this talking up of your chips/tuning up and youir not even the one doing it, bwahaha. Bring it on little man, bring it on.

How about YOU burn me a chip. Your just an internet NOOB who reads the internet then all of the sudden thinks he knowsd everything. You flat out said you have no experience w/ an AFC but yet you bash it, how's this work? Continue w/ your ways of doing it, thats fine but you will always be 2 steps behind. You can run a new AFC and have 200 rpm incrments of adjustability as well as store 2 different maps.

Oh nick, you really know how to gain yourself some business don't you? I never claimed to use and AFC, I have always used burned chips, and I have NEVER had a problem running one. I have never blown motors (can you say that???) If when you sayed that "Im not the one even doing it, bwa-ha-hah-ha" you mean that I don't create and burn my own maps??? Then yeah. I don't. There are people out there who are far better tuners with better equipment than me...I leave it up to the pro's. Furthermore, I never bashed an AFC, I came straight out and said I have no experience with it, can claimed everything I stated was strictly "what I heard". I would love to burn you a chip, but I don't have the means to do it. If you want to front the cash moneybags, I'll get you a chip.

It sounds like you just really want to bitch and prove you are right. I use chips, they work perfect for me, and right now I have a damn perfect tune on my car without standalone or AFC, and I'm willing to bet I spent less. I'm not sayinr your way is wrong, I'm just saying MY WAY WORKS. Quit arguing on the internet trying to make yourself seem like your the god damn best, don't you have a shop to run or something?

seanjohn wrote:
Haha, I thought you were just talking about the original. But yeah, you were right.

Haha, you did all this talking up of your chips/tuning up and youir not even the one doing it, bwahaha. Bring it on little man, bring it on.

How about YOU burn me a chip. Your just an internet NOOB who reads the internet then all of the sudden thinks he knowsd everything. You flat out said you have no experience w/ an AFC but yet you bash it, how's this work? Continue w/ your ways of doing it, thats fine but you will always be 2 steps behind. You can run a new AFC and have 200 rpm incrments of adjustability as well as store 2 different maps.

My NOva wrote:
told u

Haha, I thought you were just talking about the original. But yeah, you were right.

PSiedTSi wrote:
afcIIs i believe are 200rpm

Yep, the II is also twelve point as opposed to eight.