thrash wrote:
Picture this:

you are in downtown Munich, you are driving on a 1-lane, 1 way road. Parked cars line one side of the street. As in most european cities, there's really not a full "lane" to park in, so most of these cars are at least half on the sidewalk, but that means they jut irregularly into the "lane" that you're supposed to be driving in. Infact, it's not clear that you'd even have enough room to open your door enough to get out of the car without hitting a parked car. Maybe one of them is about to pull into traffic?

Naturally this is a cobblestone street so a few things are apparent

1. your brakes don't work as well as they normally would, due to the irregular adhesion
2. the tires are apt to tramline and dart more than you'd like

Now for bonus material, let's add in that there are people (including children) on this "sidewalk" and some of them are trying to jay-walk across this street from inbetween the haphzardly parked cars.

Going much faster than 15mph here is just irresponsible.

Could I do 30, 40, or 50 through here and keep the car shiny? Maybe. I'm certainly not afraid of speed, and I have a little bit of an idea what I'm doing behind the wheel (I've driven the Nordschleife, and managed to pass a newbie on a sport-bike )

I've had enough close calls that sometimes I recognize a situation where the "posted limit" doesn't take into consideration other aggrivating factors (like the ones I mentioned) and I feel the need to slow down.

There are reasons that good drivers will sometimes choose to go below the posted speed limit. Sometimes it's because they know they aren't mentally in it (like when looking at the scenery, trying to find an unfamiliar place, etc). Sometime's slowing down is just what the situation calls for - the liklihood of something popping out infront of you without you having a chance to stop in time is simply too high (remember, stopping distance goes up with the square of velocity).

Even at 15mph.

Now, all that said, most of the people you see around here going under the limit are either out to lunch or just panicking

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

Bludvls4 wrote:
and we arnt talking residentials here i believe i said 35 making it one of the main roads and if someone is uncomfortable going 15 mph anywhere in any vechicial ......... get a helmet and pedal your way around town because you will get there faster that way

Picture this:

you are in downtown Munich, you are driving on a 1-lane, 1 way road. Parked cars line one side of the street. As in most european cities, there's really not a full "lane" to park in, so most of these cars are at least half on the sidewalk, but that means they jut irregularly into the "lane" that you're supposed to be driving in. Infact, it's not clear that you'd even have enough room to open your door enough to get out of the car without hitting a parked car. Maybe one of them is about to pull into traffic?

Naturally this is a cobblestone street so a few things are apparent

1. your brakes don't work as well as they normally would, due to the irregular adhesion
2. the tires are apt to tramline and dart more than you'd like

Now for bonus material, let's add in that there are people (including children) on this "sidewalk" and some of them are trying to jay-walk across this street from inbetween the haphzardly parked cars.

Going much faster than 15mph here is just irresponsible.

Could I do 30, 40, or 50 through here and keep the car shiny? Maybe. I'm certainly not afraid of speed, and I have a little bit of an idea what I'm doing behind the wheel (I've driven the Nordschleife, and managed to pass a newbie on a sport-bike )

I've had enough close calls that sometimes I recognize a situation where the "posted limit" doesn't take into consideration other aggrivating factors (like the ones I mentioned) and I feel the need to slow down.

There are reasons that good drivers will sometimes choose to go below the posted speed limit. Sometimes it's because they know they aren't mentally in it (like when looking at the scenery, trying to find an unfamiliar place, etc). Sometime's slowing down is just what the situation calls for - the liklihood of something popping out infront of you without you having a chance to stop in time is simply too high (remember, stopping distance goes up with the square of velocity).

Even at 15mph.

Now, all that said, most of the people you see around here going under the limit are either out to lunch or just panicking

PSiedTSi wrote:
True statement, but you also have to take into account the density of the actual people...some are pretty dense and really don't have a clue how to drive....and are generally stuck in the "small town" attitude that seems to haunt the F-M areas growth.

LOL, thats so true

thrash wrote:
The traffic density in Fargo is low enough that there's little excuse for inconveniencing other people.

True statement, but you also have to take into account the density of the actual people...some are pretty dense and really don't have a clue how to drive....and are generally stuck in the "small town" attitude that seems to haunt the F-M areas growth.

Bludvls4 wrote:
yeah but any dubshit who is scared to drive the speedlimt of 35 mph has no reason driving to begin with

There are situations where I feel 15mph is too fast, even on dry pavement, although I can't think of any spots like that in Fargo (driving around Munich comes to mind....which has many 20-25kph zones)

Of course, if there are people behind me that obviously want around me, i pull over and let them pass me. This happens most commonly when I am driving through a neighborhood of old houses and am checking them out or something. In this case, I'll go slower than the posted limit, both so I can see the buildings, and because I am not focusing solely on my driving so it isn't safe for me to be going any faster. If someone pulls up behind me and is clearly in a hurry, I'll pull over and let them around me. Less stressful for everyone.

The best driving policy is to not make anyone else alter their behavior. I can't say I always live up to it, but I generally try. I get impatient with people that can't decide what lane they're going to choose and are going too slowly, and occasionally will pass them in the lane that they decide (too late) that they want to be in. This only upsets them because not only do they not know what they're doing, but they also can't be bothered to look in their mirrors - they have extremely poor situational awareness. You can often tell when another driver isn't thinking as fast as they need to be because their inputs are jerky and delayed, or they make unnecessary movements.

Not screwing with other people means getting out of the way of people that want to overtake you, and not tailgating people that are infront of you. The traffic density in Fargo is low enough that there's little excuse for inconveniencing other people.

assasain wrote:
it pisses everyone off when people drive under the speed limit but as said before its there choice to drive that limit or not.

not all people are as "skilled" of a driver as you
yeah but any dubshit who is scared to drive the speedlimt of 35 mph has no reason driving to begin with

not all people are as "skilled" of a driver as you

amicheze wrote:
i used to drive 20mph down 25th with a friend driving next to me right after school got out. we used to get at least a quarter mile of cars behind us really pissed off.

wow remember it takes one pissed off person to ruin your:icon_study: life.

Jim wrote:
i saw a taurus get run off the freeway on the way back from chicago bc she was doing that... the escalde just cut in to her and she went off the shoulder i twas fuckin pimp

That's awesome.

Also I dont get it when your on the freeway going like 5mph over, and old people start flashign their lights at you to slow down

amicheze wrote:
i used to drive 20mph down 25th with a friend driving next to me right after school got out. we used to get at least a quarter mile of cars behind us really pissed off.
yeah used to do the same thing it is definatly fun and then you get one friend to speed up so cars switch lanes then he slows down while u speed up and try and get cars to switch lanes as many times as possiblie before they figure it out........oh fun times fun times

driving is a social activity. you should attempt to screw with other people as little as possible. you never know when someone has had enough of kids screwing around, lost their job that day, and is packing heat.

I was in the right lane with the cruise set at 70mph, my buddy stayed in the left and ran blocker. People were pretty pissed when we finally let them by.