Kerry lies again!
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Im coming from the business point of view. What would you rather pay, 7 or 1 dollar to have a person make you a shoe? Of course you'd take the cheap labor because it saves you money in the long run.
I never said it was right to do take jobs away from americans, but if it'll save you money and keep your annual income high, you'll be in smooth waters
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PSI2HI wrote:
What if you were the 260 million who were laid off? How is our economy down? We lost 260 million American jobs, and we are in the largest national deficit in American history.Guess I'm not worried personally, that's why education is important. I get laid off I get another job. I market myself personally, and if you have no assetts you can't market yourself period. It's not difficult to find a job with education and skills in America.
Back to the outsourcing: let's face it, its a cruel business world. Business practice a lot more unethical views then this. It's a dog eat dog world, and if I can save a buck or 2 by laying people off and outsourcing it. You bet your ass I will.
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PSiedTSi wrote:
kirk but think about it theres a limit to trimming your budget...it stops when you basically take away your business by causing your consumers to lose their jobs...
The economys been in the shitter since 9/11, which is why you Michael Moore fanatics are blaming bush. What should he have done, of course he was going to retaliate which is billions, people got scared to fly, so lay offs were made from every airline possible. Shit if gore was president, our unemployment rate wouldn't be near what it is now, 6%. If companies gotta survive, they've got to take a hit by cutting jobs. Sure they feel guilty doing it, but if it's better for the company..you just half to let some people go. -
Right, just like im against illegal immigration taking american jobs here... but if its better for the business, i would do the same if i could. its a tough situation.
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fallguy wrote:
I agree that this is getting off topic.Outsourcing has been going on for years...it is a global market...anyone who has taken any economic classes at all would have known this. Maybe find out how many jobs Heinz outsources. Talk about hyprocisy.
exactly.
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lol @ the heinz's..Theresa fucked Kerry when she said Laura bush has never had a real job when I believe she was a school teacher, but that coulda been Lynn Cheney I dont know. She's (Theresa) has been living off of daddy forever, which is Im sure paying for Kerry's campaign or a majority of it.
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2k3WRXND wrote:
Guess I'm not worried personally, that's why education is important. I get laid off I get another job. I market myself personally, and if you have no assetts you can't market yourself period. It's not difficult to find a job with education and skills in America.
Fargo/Moorhead actually has a good job market, however from a national level only 3 out of 10 people that graduated from college last year were able to get a job related to their major.Hmm...you're going to tell me that of the 260million people who lost their jobs in this country NOT ONE OF THEM HAD A COLLEGE DEGREE??? I HIGHLY doubt that.
In Ohio they have lost on average 165 jobs/day that Bush has been in office. And the few jobs that have come along in that time are paying 23% less than the jobs that have left. Yeah, Bush is great for big business, but is crap for the little guy. Trickle down economics does not work. Neither did the tax cuts. I'm all for rolling back all of the tax cuts (poor, middleclass, rich, etc..) if instead we offer the money as incentives for companies to hire more American workers and/or low interest loans to start a business or expand a current one.
And about the Kerry lie. He said that he met with all the members of the UN Security council. Maybe that portion is a lie, but it seems that he did meet with at least a few members of the council...define at least a few please. Was it the other ten members? Was it 3? I don't know. Either way, if this is the worst thing that happens if/when he is president he will be by far the most honest president in modern history. I can't speak for him, but perhaps he meant that he consulted w/ a majority of the countries and it came out wrong, kind like when Bush said "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
Things get said in the heat and time frame of a debate that don't always get spoken the way they should, or don't clarified as well as they could be. I don't fault either candidate for this. It's just how it is.
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fallguy wrote:
I agree that this is getting off topic.Outsourcing has been going on for years...it is a global market...anyone who has taken any economic classes at all would have known this. Maybe find out how many jobs Heinz outsources. Talk about hyprocisy.To assert that Teresa Heinz Kerry owns the Heinz Co. is factually incorrect. She is the chair of the Heinz Endowments, which is a Heinz family affiliate, not a Heinz Co. affiliate. There have been no Heinz family members involved in the management of the Heinz since the late 1980s.
Additionally, the Heinz Co. is not an outsourced company, not in the manner that has become a controversial issue in this election. While it is true that Heinz operates overseas plants, the company does not send jobs to other countries and export the products to America.
In fact, all ketchup sold and consumed in America is produced in American plants. Heinz's overseas plants sell products globally, as do many fruit and vegetable producers as a result of the need to localize some production in foreign market areas.
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tjamz wrote:
To assert that Teresa Heinz Kerry owns the Heinz Co. is factually incorrect. She is the chair of the Heinz Endowments, which is a Heinz family affiliate, not a Heinz Co. affiliate. There have been no Heinz family members involved in the management of the Heinz since the late 1980s.Additionally, the Heinz Co. is not an outsourced company, not in the manner that has become a controversial issue in this election. While it is true that Heinz operates overseas plants, the company does not send jobs to other countries and export the products to America.
In fact, all ketchup sold and consumed in America is produced in American plants. Heinz's overseas plants sell products globally, as do many fruit and vegetable producers as a result of the need to localize some production in foreign market areas.
So your saying its in Heinz best interest to keep the products which they ship overseas, overseas itself correct? I mean it would be possible to keep themselves within America and export the products if Kerry was a true believer in bringing jobs to America. If not, Heinz is just trying to keep costs low, which all businesses do, and are practicing the same laws as others perform currently. I want to know what jobs are being outsourced, if they are going to India I guarentee a lot of them are unskilled IT support for particular products.
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RX8ownage wrote:
lol @ the heinz's..Theresa fucked Kerry when she said Laura bush has never had a real job when I believe she was a school teacher, but that coulda been Lynn Cheney I dont know. She's (Theresa) has been living off of daddy forever, which is Im sure paying for Kerry's campaign or a majority of it.
Wrong on the living off daddy part, she was married for 25 years to Henry John Heinz III, her maiden name is not Heinz, her maiden name was Teresa Simões-Ferreira, her parents were Portugese.You were right about it being laura bush...this was Teresa's comment
"Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job -- I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things."She stated the truth technically...she didn't know that she'd ever had a real job, just because she didn't recall what Mrs. Bush had done doesn't mean she didn't/doesn't respect teachers. When it was brought to her attention this was her response:
"I had forgotten that Mrs. Bush had worked as a schoolteacher and librarian, and there couldn't be a more important job than teaching our children."
Do you honestly think that anyone from either party would ever intentionally say something against teachers in an election year....well I guess the Republican party did when Education Secretary Rod Paige called the NEA (National Education Administration), the worlds largest teacher union, a "Terrorist Organization".
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Oh i didn't know she wasnt the natural born daughter of the Heinz guy, but what did she do when she got married.
i didnt hear about the whole rob paige calling a teacher organization a terrorist organization...how stupid is that
So she can just make it all up and say" woah my bad, teachers are a real job" was that after everybody kinda opened their eyes and Mrs Heinz took it a lil to far?
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2k3WRXND wrote:
So your saying its in Heinz best interest to keep the products which they ship overseas, overseas itself correct? I mean it would be possible to keep themselves within America and export the products if Kerry was a true believer in bringing jobs to America. If not, Heinz is just trying to keep costs low, which all businesses do, and are practicing the same laws as others perform currently. I want to know what jobs are being outsourced, if they are going to India I guarentee a lot of them are unskilled IT support for particular products.
In a marketing sense, yes, it makes sense for them to keep products that are sold overseas to be manufactured overseas. Kerry himself has said that a certain degree of outsourcing will always happen, he said that during the debate, he's said it to labor unions across this country, it is the nature of a global economy. What Kerry does believe in is Americans making products that Americans use, of course we'd like to see ourselves do better on the export vs. import ratio, who wouldn't? Oh yeah...Bush. He seems to like CAFTA (Central Americas Free Trade Agreement) which will likely bankrupt (or seriously impair) our sugar beet growers in the valley. Guess what happens in an ag dependant state such as ND when the farmers go bankrupt? EVERYONE SUFFERS! The ag dollar turns over 5 times on main street. That is a proven fact. You won't be finding those jobs you say are so easy to get if the economy here goes to shit.I guess Bush really is a uniter, hell 260,000,000 people have one thing in common, they can't find gainful employment. As for the 6% unemployment rate, part of the reason that number is so low is because after 6 months (or so, not sure the exact) you can't draw unemployment benefits and are no longer counted towards the percentage.
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RX8ownage wrote:
Oh i didn't know she wasnt the natural born daughter of the Heinz guy, but what did she do when she got married.i didnt hear about the whole rob paige calling a teacher organization a terrorist organization...how stupid is that
So she can just make it all up and say" woah my bad, teachers are a real job" was that after everybody kinda opened their eyes and Mrs Heinz took it a lil to far?
Here is a copy/paste of all you'd want to know about TeresaTeresa Heinz Kerry brings extraordinary ability, experience, and accomplishment to her husband’s campaign for President. Her extensive philanthropic work finding solutions to many of the most pressing challenges facing our nation, demonstrates she will be a leader helping our nation explore these issues, such as protecting the environment, our children, and the rights of women. She has been a fighter for human rights, and a strong supporter of the arts.
Born in Mozambique, fluent in several languages, she has combined compassion and common sense to become a force for innovation and social progress as leader of one of the nation's large private foundations. After studying at the University of the Witwatersrand in South Africa and the University of Geneva, she moved to the United States and got a job working for the Trusteeship Council of the United Nations. In 1966, she married Senator John Heinz whom she met when they were graduate students and with whom she had three sons. Shortly after celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary in 1991, she lost her husband in a plane crash.
Turning down offers to seek election to her husband's Senate seat to take care of her sons, family and professional responsibilities, she became chairman of The Howard Heinz Endowment and the Heinz Family Philanthropies. Under her leadership, the Heinz foundations are widely known for developing innovative strategies to protect the environment, improve education and the lives of young children, reduce the cost of prescription drugs, promote the arts and help women achieve financial economic security. She established the Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement in 1996 to educate women about pensions, savings, and retirement security.
Their mutual interest in environmental issues brought Teresa and John together. She was first introduced to John Kerry by Senator Heinz at an Earth Day rally in 1990. In 1992, she met Kerry again at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President George H. W. Bush appointed her as part of a State Department Delegation representing U.S. non-governmental organizations. She and Sen. Kerry were married in the presence of her three sons and his two daughters on Memorial Day weekend in 1995. Teresa has received numerous awards and 10 honorary degrees for her many works. In September of last year, she was presented with the Albert Schweitzer Gold Medal for Humanitarianism, for her work protecting the environment, promoting health care and education and uplifting women and children throughout the world. She was elected a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2001. In addition to her three sons and two step-daughters, Teresa is the almost inordinately (but understandably) proud grandmother of one grandchild.
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tjamz wrote:
In a marketing sense, yes, it makes sense for them to keep products that are sold overseas to be manufactured overseas. Kerry himself has said that a certain degree of outsourcing will always happen, he said that during the debate, he's said it to labor unions across this country, it is the nature of a global economy. What Kerry does believe in is Americans making products that Americans use, of course we'd like to see ourselves do better on the export vs. import ratio, who wouldn't? Oh yeah...Bush. He seems to like CAFTA (Central Americas Free Trade Agreement) which will likely bankrupt (or seriously impair) our sugar beet growers in the valley. Guess what happens in an ag dependant state such as ND when the farmers go bankrupt? EVERYONE SUFFERS! The ag dollar turns over 5 times on main street. That is a proven fact. You won't be finding those jobs you say are so easy to get if the economy here goes to shit.
im sure we both have family that are previous farmers and have lived off of the sugar beet, corn industry etc crops for a long time, but to say bush seems to like the CAFTA agreement is the true reason why alot of people suffer is dumb. This season, beet havesters have had one of it's worst in a long time. But not because of bush, but because of the condition the fields are in. Hell, we're forecasted to get another full week of rain until friday and how can bush control that? when you can't harvest, a lot of people here are going to suffer and thats one of the doubts with living off a farm like budget.
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