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  • integra_gsr98I Offline
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    integra_gsr98
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    #4

    Better fuel atomization out of a carb...

    Uhm, I can't think of any other reason really...
    No wires for the handicapped I guess.

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    • 91nbtsi9 Offline
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      91nbtsi
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      #5

      integra_gsr98 wrote:
      Better fuel atomization out of a carb...

      Uhm, I can't think of any other reason really...
      No wires for the handicapped I guess.

      Eh, can't see why fuel droplets out of a jet provide better atomization than a nice mist of fuel?

      [email protected] -- DSM
      07 Mega Cab 5.9 CTD

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      • wesholeW Offline
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        91nbtsi wrote:
        Eh, can't see why fuel droplets out of a jet provide better atomization than a nice mist of fuel?

        They don't. Most carb equiped vehicles still have a problem with fuel "puddling" which isn't nearly as much of a problem in modern FI engines and is almost non-existent in GDI engines that are becoming more previlant nowadays.

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        • 91nbtsi9 Offline
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          weshole wrote:
          They don't. Most carb equiped vehicles still have a problem with fuel "puddling" which isn't nearly as much of a problem in modern FI engines and is almost non-existent in GDI engines that are becoming more previlant nowadays.

          Exactly.

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          07 Mega Cab 5.9 CTD

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          • treimcheT Offline
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            Technology wins, if it didn't all the really fast guys would still be running carbs, no?

            Troy
            2009 Yamaha R1
            2002 WRX
            2001 Toyota Tundra
            2001 Yamaha R6
            1988 Yamaha YSR 50
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            • wesholeW Offline
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              And I wont even start to get into trying to evenly distribute the fuel from up to 4 sources (most carbs) into a standard V8 intake manifold (8 seperate runners). That's typically why a FI engine at the same hp range as i carbed engine nets the same power at less fuel demand. Efficiency rules. The only advantage (in my eyes) to running a carb is initial cost. That is very limited as well. As I see it, in "most" situations on a modern performance vehicle..... Carbing a vehicle is just plain lazy.

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              • 2wheeler2 Offline
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                #10

                treimche wrote:
                Technology wins, if it didn't all the really fast guys would still be running carbs, no?

                They ARE still running carbs.
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                • wesholeW Offline
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                  Rules require that.^

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                  • 2wheeler2 Offline
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                    weshole wrote:
                    Rules require that.^
                    And the quicker EFI cars are......?

                    '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
                    '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
                    '95 E-350 7.5L

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                    • wesholeW Offline
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                      weshole
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                      I'll admit they do have very impressive hp #'s. (some of the highest out of a gasoline engine) But I'm pretty sure that if fuel injection was made legal to run on top fuel and funny cars, that would happen. It probably would take little bit to perfect but, I know that it would ultimately prove to be the MORE EFFICIENT form of fueling a car.

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                      • integra_gsr98I Offline
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                        I swear I remember reading an article from a prominant motor builder/tuner that stated under heavy load a carb actually atomizes the fuel better than an EFI. However at low throttle the carb loses hands down to the EFI system.

                        And aren't top fuel cars more of a direct injection style system? W/ pneumatics and timers controlling fuel delivery?

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                        • MisterCMKM Offline
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                          I also read that the carbs atomize better. Carbs are also simpler for some people to set up and use. They are also cheaper most of the time.

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                            I'm not trying to promote carbs. I don't run them on my bike(completely different than a car though), but the main thing is you need to be realistic when it comes to what you want/can spend.

                            Dave and Matt run very quick times on EFI, but neither of their setups are what I would consider cheap.(Taking into consideration the "retail" value of their work. Just because Matt tinned his whole car, doesn't mean that everyone may have that ability. To me, that work has value.)

                            On the other hand, look at Christian's old Capri, that car had very little into in $$-wise, and went 11.3. It was also a 5-speed car that he could(and did) drive EVERYWHERE. Put a C4 in that car and it would have run 10s no problem.

                            I would talk to Christian and Andy(Dynotune). I would bet you'll be able to get an earfull from both of them on both sides of the subject.

                            '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
                            '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
                            '95 E-350 7.5L

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                              • XJHEADX Offline
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                                I don't know on the small stuff but on small/big blocks the carb will always put down more power than EFI hands down... With EFI you get the driveability and the fuel economy with it......

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                                  XJHEAD wrote:
                                  I don't know on the small stuff but on small/big blocks the carb will always put down more power than EFI hands down... With EFI you get the driveability and the fuel economy with it......
                                  EXACTLY ^^^^^what he said^^^^^

                                  '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
                                  '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
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                                    Good grief you guys... Top fuelers don't have carbs, they are mechanically fuel injected. Basically they are EFI without the E.

                                    DaveH
                                    '94 Supra- 7.77 @ 176mph

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                                      weshole
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                                      DaveH wrote:
                                      Good grief you guys... Top fuelers don't have carbs, they are mechanically fuel injected. Basically they are EFI without the E.

                                      YA!! So THERE!!!! Put that in ur pipe and smoke it.

                                      So really, I wasn't sure about that so I assumed they were carbed cuz Ethan posted it as such. Shame on me for not being better versed in top fuel cars and also for believing him.:o

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                                        91nbtsi
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                                        Rule #1: Never believe Ethan.:icon_cyclops_ani:

                                        [email protected] -- DSM
                                        07 Mega Cab 5.9 CTD

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                                          weshole
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                                          Man Law.^

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