Vetran cuts down Mexican Flag
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The argument could be made that the man who tore the flag down, is more of a criminal then the man who flew the mexican flag above the US one.
"punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, as the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled when the subject has come up in the past."
"The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the United States. It is title 4 of the United States Code: 4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq. This is a U.S. federal law, but there is no penalty for failure to comply with them"
Note the no penalty for failure to comply.
Vigilante justice should not be tolerated, and proper officials should be the ones to take care of such an issue. But wait, they are all just beaners, so lets not worry about that.
Actually, after re-watching the video, I found that the man tearing the flag down to actually be in violation of the same law...
"The flag should never be drawn back or bunched up in any way. "
"The flag should never touch anything beneath it."
It's a dumb issue, just a flag violation doesnt mean that someone is any more or less patriotic to america. Hell, you might as well mandate that you put fly a flag in every residence, and have a special task force to ensure proper flag code obedience.
This dumpster violates the flag code as well. Should we tear it apart and burn it? Do you think the persons intentions were to violate the flag code?
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I'd go up and shake that veterans hand and tell him "thank you, job well done". I don't really care about the legal aspects, as much as flying another flag over ours is simply disrespectful. The shop owner sure didn't seem to want to back up his shit did he.
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Jim;188635 wrote:
Oh well though, I wouldn't expect anythign else from Stangerbanger
Your without a doubt one of the most conservative people haha.I'm actually technically a Libertarian...I don't fit into the definition of a true Republican nor do I fit the definition of a Democrat.
I'd also be supportive of any charges against Bush for defacing the flag as well. I'm no adamant Bush supporter by any means so go right ahead.
As far as the flag being crumpled and or not allowed to touch the ground...the Vet didn't let it touch the ground in the video from what I can see. He did crumple it yes.
Also IIRC the same rules do not apply to "flags" that aren't actual flags IE Paintings, floormats, etc. Otherwise kids who draw the flag on a piece of paper and end up dropping it or throwing it away could be punished.
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I think it's in poor taste to do what the <u>American</u> man from mexico did, but the other man should be fined for theft and harassment.
I do think that it is funny that people from all over the world come to live in the US, then do things that show their loyalty to there "home" is more prevelant. Thats just stupid. If you feel that way, perhaps you should go back to where you came from. It's not like we force immigration on anyone.
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StangerBanger96;188650 wrote:
I'm actually technically a Libertarian...I don't fit into the definition of a true Republican nor do I fit the definition of a Democrat.I'd also be supportive of any charges against Bush for defacing the flag as well. I'm no adamant Bush supporter by any means so go right ahead.
As far as the flag being crumpled and or not allowed to touch the ground...the Vet didn't let it touch the ground in the video from what I can see. He did crumple it yes.
Also IIRC the same rules do not apply to "flags" that aren't actual flags IE Paintings, floormats, etc. Otherwise kids who draw the flag on a piece of paper and end up dropping it or throwing it away could be punished.
Dustin I think you should sign up for: http://www.freestateproject.org/
Also, the rules do apply to those things... http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
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Jim;188659 wrote:
Dustin I think you should sign up for: http://www.freestateproject.org/Also, the rules do apply to those things... http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
New Hampshire isn't my style and thanks for the link, didn't know that about the flag stuff!
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Rexwagon;188686 wrote:
its veteran by the wayDOH!
And I can be a grammar Nazi at times too...nice catch.
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whatever guys, i think it showed he accually cared for the country he lives in. plus the fact that the store owner is a dumb ass for doing what he did.
all this bitching about the flag shit jim. come on, a little over done. WE GET THE POINT!!!!!
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DrifterExtreme;188710 wrote:
whatever guys, i think it showed he accually cared for the country he lives in. plus the fact that the store owner is a dumb ass for doing what he did.all this bitching about the flag shit jim. come on, a little over done. WE GET THE POINT!!!!!
all this bitchin but you come on and say how your opinion and that the owner is a dumb ass, imo that's bitchin there that you are complaining bout the owner... jim is just proving points and giving people links to back up everything...
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I wonder if anyone had the tact to tell the store owner before that ZZ top guy went apeshit?
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capitlj;188716 wrote:
I wonder if anyone had the tact to tell the store owner before that ZZ top guy went apeshit?I was thinking about this earlier, I wonder if anybody just went up and asked the guy to switch them as a respect issue before the psycho went and cut that shit down and tried to challenge the guy to a fight?
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Theft, property damage, harassment, and xenophobia aren't American values.
(well, they aren't supposed to be).
I know! Let's go mess with foreigners that are actually working and running a business and contributing to the economy. Good thinking.
I think flag burning / desecration is dumb. I think laws making flag burning / desecration are dumber. If law makers think they're in the business of keeping dumb people from being dumb, they'll never be done writing more laws.
...Which is maybe their intention...?
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You have to understand where that Marine is coming from, he served our country, and put his life on the line for that flag, that probably really did hurt him to see the flag he so proudly served flown thatway. On the other hand maybe the mexican store owner didnt know that was both wrong and illegal, (hell if i can find them i have pictures of a flag flying UPSIDE DOWN!!!,, at a county social services building!!!!!) and deserved to be spoken to like a human before his flags were cut down. although if it is proven that he did it as a statement than hes a shitbag.
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