No more BP's is North Dakota
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http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2006/tc20060519_225336.htm
There are arguments all over the place....I will spare the copy and paste....
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bubba;200356 wrote:
Chuck, the OBD2 data port is the same on all vehicles... And as far as i'm concerned i'll stick with my regular gas.Explain to me then why when I interface Immobilizer overrides and such to different vehicles (heck, even from the same manufacturer) I have to tie into different wires on the OBD2?
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DelSlow;200359 wrote:
i love it when people site Wikipedia as a source. LOLIf that were my only source, I'd be concerned. IF you actually go to that wiki page, you will notice that there are links within there that lead you to other sources.
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SmitEvo;200355 wrote:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2006/tc20060519_225336.htmThere are arguments all over the place....I will spare the copy and paste....
From your source:
> There's no absolute consensus in the scientific community, but that argument is losing strength. Michael Wang, a scientist at the Energy Dept.-funded Argonne National Laboratory for Transportation Research, says "The energy used for each unit of ethanol produced has been reduced by about half [since 1980]." Now, Wang says, the delivery of 1 million British thermal units (BTUs) of ethanol uses 0.74 million BTUs of fossil fuels. (That does not include the solar energy -- the sun shining -- used in growing corn.) By contrast, he finds that the delivery of 1 million BTUs of gasoline requires 1.23 million BTU of fossil fuels.
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most don't know- don't worry- but the pins can be used for different things- for example DCX cars are different pin selection for flashing than are the trucks, can-bus is different than cubic... etc, etc, etc
anyway, just FYI E85 does sigificantly reduce ALOT of emissions, but some stay the same (there have been a few states that have tested our stuff)
BUT hydrogen power actually produces a very harmful greenhouse gas- we call it WATER VAPOR- it's weight and retention capabilities (there's a big explanation) actually are very harmful, some would argue its considerably worse than gasoline emissions. -
tjamz;200363 wrote:
From your source:...which scientists do not agree on and they did not include solar energy needed to produce. I agree it has gotten cheaper.
I like this section
In 2006, the feds paid ethanol blenders $2.5 billion and ethanol corn farmers $0.9 billion. We paid an extra $3.6 billion at the pump. Total was $2.21 extra per gallon of gasoline replaced. Of all that, $5.4 billion went for windfall profits, creating what USDA's chief economist called "ethanol euphoria."
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tjamz;200342 wrote:
Brazil uses ethanol in ALL of their cars and is completely energy independent.Brazil uses sugar cane to make their ethanol, from what I've read that is a lot more efficient way to make ethanol than corn is. I don't think there is any way we can get corn based ethanol to really help our dependency on oil. Time to plant sugar cane around here.
DaveH
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In 2006, the feds paid ethanol blenders $2.5 billion and ethanol corn farmers $0.9 billion. We paid an extra $3.6 billion at the pump. Total was $2.21 extra per gallon of gasoline replaced. Of all that, $5.4 billion went for windfall profits, creating what USDA's chief economist called "ethanol euphoria."
How many billions in tax breaks did we give big oil again last year and how much money did they lose? Oh I forgot we gave them tax breaks AND they posted record profits. Makes perfect sense- and somehow on the new energy bill their tax breaks are STILL THERE. You can't expect an industry to start up overnight and be super efficient. Mainstream ethanol has only gained popularity in the last 3-5 years, although it has been around as a fuel subsititute since the 1880s.
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DaveH;200373 wrote:
Brazil uses sugar cane to make their ethanol, from what I've read that is a lot more efficient way to make ethanol than corn is. I don't think there is any way we can get corn based ethanol to really help our dependency on oil. Time to plant sugar cane around here.
you bring up a good point... but thats were corn hybrids come into play... and from what i have been told they are developing ways to use whole corn plans instead of just corn seed.. -
SmitEvo;200352 wrote:
So your telling me they wont come up with something better? Lol....I guarantee there will be vehicles that are not oil dependent. The demand for corn will not be as high and farmers will switch to the next cash crop.
im not saying that they wont come up with something better... but your not going to see it in yoru lifetime... and neither will your childeren.... ethanol is here to stay... they just got the goahead to build another plant around the hawley/ulen area.... might even pop up in moorhead... -
Obsolete technology in older plants. Easier to build new ones than convert old one.
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not sure what to think of this.
i know i run BP 92 in my GP as often as i can. some of it is non oxy some is not. and if i see 10% ethanol added i skip over it. so i always keep my eye on pumps as i am driving around so i know where i can get gas that i like. as my GP def runs better on BP 92 than anything else. as i said it is usually the non-oxy version.
BP here in TRF (non-oxy), the BP down the road from bradys in moorhead, BP down the block from tintmasters in GF, BP south of DL on 59 (has non-oxy or just 92), BP in ames ia (took me some driving to find a station that had 92 at home), maple grove has a BP that is 92,
i drove around one night taking pics of pumps. some were labeled 10% ethanol added some were not. only found the one pump with 92.i know things change. i remember when i dads 68 camaro ran leaded gas and unleaded was taking its place. there was alot of concern about how cars would run and power and so on.
Monty
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