Why is seemingly everbody in the "Republican Pary" brainwashed

[DaveH]

I'm definitely bumming about the republican party right now... it's been slowly moving to the left ever since Reagan. I'll probably plug my nose and vote for McCain in the primary, but it's definitely not because I'm fired up to get him in there.

[GarageAlchemist]

tjamz;205533 wrote:
Unless you plan on living over seas, I don't see a viable option for having the right to own more guns than you currently do.

I dont want an option for any more guns than i already have (semi-automatics) but Obama supports banning semi-auto's as well, which would mean less guns.

[Guest]

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with you Heath. But here is his record and a few statements he has made about gun control.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

and an exerpt from http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html

Finally, here is the text of what Obama said during a Radio Iowa interview:

Henderson: "I'm wondering if what happened at Virginia Tech, in your opinion, might alter the debate about gun control."

Obama: "It's early to make a full assessment on how this changes our politics and the public mood. I think all of us are still just overwhelmed with grief for the families and for Virginia Tech and obviously people here remember what happened at the university and how painful it can be (a reference to the shootings at the University of Iowa). I do think that the evidence so far at least indicates that you've got a young man who was mentally deranged, was identified as such, was temporarily committed and was still able to obtain handguns and so one critical question is, 'What happened to our background check system? Why did it fail?' and it seems like we should be able to come to some bipartisan agreement on making that background system, background check system work. The second area which may be fought by the NRA, but I think has to be looked at is the availability of 19-round clips. I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms. I'm a believe in homeowners having a firearms to protect their home and their family. It's hard for me to find a rationale for a 19-clip semi-automatic. I said at a forum earlier this week, 'If you need 19 rounds to shoot a deer, you probably shouldn't be hunting' and so that I think is something that we should be able to have a reasonable conversation about."

Henderson: "Do you think this is a prickly issue for Democrats?"

Obama: "The problem that we've had is that the overwhelming majority of gun owners use those firearms safely, secure them properly and I think would be amenable to reasonable gun control laws. The NRA's attitude has been that any restriction is an infringement on the rights of gun owners and you know because of the breadth of their membership and the large amounts of money that they have at their disposal, I think they are oftentimes able to scare law-abiding gun owners into thinking that Democrats are going to take away their rights and part of what I think we have to communicate is that we are committed to maintaining the rights of lawful gun owners, but that doesn't contradict the need to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill or put limits on the accessibility of semi-automatic weapons or make sure that straw purchasers aren't dumping firearms into our inner cities."

[torbs]

gun control is gun control...anyway you look at it, it's still against the Constitution.

[thrash]

all of the people in public office calling for gun control have armed body guards.

hypocrites.

the point of the 2nd amendment is to keep an armed population so that they can, via force if necessary, fire their government when it no longer serves its purposes. an armed man is a citizen. an unarmed man is a subject. one of the cheif greivances of the colonists was the british army shacking up in peoples homes unwelcome and uninvited. the framers designed the constitution to ensure that a sufficient majority of the populace could overthrow ANY government.

You shouldn't trust anyone in government that is proposing cover-their-ass anti-gun laws. They'll always have armed body guards. But they still feel the need to disarm you and limit your ability to fire them.

That doesn't sound like the mentality of a public servant to me.. it sounds like the mentality of a public master... someone who thinks themselves fit to rule.

Gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters aren't kooks. The 2nd amendment is there beacuse without it, the other 9 are just worthless paper, to be twisted and extorted for the whims of the politicians. Just like the dollar.

Would you trust the feds with the management of your rights after seeing how they've managed your currency?

[Guest]

I'm ok with gun control in the effect that I don't think convicted felons (especially those with a violent past) should be allowed to possess a fire arm. So background checks are ok with me....as is a waiting period to receive a gun.

However, I am not in favor of "assault weapons bans" as I personally deer hunt with an AK47. Its a darn good gun that is accurate and seldom needs any sort of maintenance.

[Bookem]

It's no fun until you try a chinese sks, ummm I still haven't got a deer with it yet????
That gun will be going to the grave with me.

[bubba]

tjamz;205734 wrote:
I'm ok with gun control in the effect that I don't think convicted felons (especially those with a violent past) should be allowed to possess a fire arm. So background checks are ok with me....as is a waiting period to receive a gun.

However, I am not in favor of "assault weapons bans" as I personally deer hunt with an AK47. Its a darn good gun that is accurate and seldom needs any sort of maintenance.

I agree 100%...background checks dont bother me one bit... The thing I have to complain about is when the government coincidentally has the check system down during a weekend (when most gun shows happen) the same time the million mom march happens...

[Bookem]

bubba;205753 wrote:
I agree 100%...background checks dont bother me one bit... The thing I have to complain about is when the government coincidentally has the check system down during a weekend (when most gun shows happen) the same time the million mom march happens...

I waited for a background check for over a month, that made me want to go buy a gun.........irony????

Still totally pro background checks though.

[bubba]

If u buy from a dealer the NICS check is instant and gives u 3 responses:

Procede - U can give the buyer the gun right now

Deny - U cannot sell a gun to this person (we had one where the person on the line asked if the guy was still there and if there's any police officers present... must have had a bad warrant out on him, and glad he didnt get the gun)

Delayed - They have 3 days to check on it and get back to u...if they dont have anything by then u can sell to the person...our policy at the shop is we arent selling it unless we get an ok from them, just to be safe (Delay is usually if u have a common name, some things are questionable, etc.)

[harm]

I've been listening to "Conservative Talk Radio" for a few days straight and haven't heard Ron Paul mentioned once.. it makes me sad AND angry. So now all these people are endorsing McCain and saying "No, RLY - he's conservative! SRSLY!" As if we should believe them. There really isn't a conservative candidate BEING MENTIONED at ALL in the news.. so it seems like we're going to be stuck with bullshit, because people won't keep themselves informed.

I'm not saying I keep myself well-informed.. but I'm trying.. and the more I learn, the more our current "choices" for candidates scare me. Gun ownership comes up a lot.. I own guns. multiple guns. Of the guns I currently own, only two are semi-autos, and I spent a lot of time and money training in the use of one in particular when I was still planning on going into law enforcement. I carried my glock for work for almost two years. If I decide to go back into the field someday, I want to use MY firearm, because I trust MY firearm over one somebody else has used and maintained. Not looking forward to losing my rights at all.. semiautos aren't the problem, it's their wrongful use. Christ, look at what they did on airplanes.. no toenail clippers. No lighters. Please, no more than an ounce of anything fluid. No bringing your own bottled drink. Knitting needles A-OK.

'gun control' isn't my biggest issue.. I don't even know what my biggest issue is. I guess it would have to be that WE'RE ALL SCREWED because Americans in general COW DOWN to whatever the media feeds them. Of course it's right, it's on the news! Now go watch The Biggest Loser, or you won't be able to keep up around the water cooler tomorrow!

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Happy Presidents' Day, everybody.