This place sucks... Really...

[YellowEvo]

No one on this board is saying you dont know what your talkin about, it's just that the past week you have been flipping shit on every fucking post on here...you sit and say you should keep the threads on topic, you came into my wheel and tire thread and started talkin shit on an FMIC and kept on doing it, so you do the same shit everyone else on here does

[NickB]

if anyone doesn't wanna read all that it goes like this...im Drag i hate fsreet yet im on here a lot...blah, bullshit, blah...bitching...blah..and here you are..

[PSI2HI]

Yeah because someone needs to try keep shit in order. It got so bad i couldn't keep anything udner control? How many threads/posts did you see me deleting, locking trying to keep shit on udner control? Its gotten so far out of hand its worthless now. It's not even the offtopic shit thats the worst. Its all the HS BS, drama that goes on w/ everyone thinking their king shit and thinking there so fast putting everyone else down, ripping on everyone elses cars, etc... PM's were added for a reason, to keep the BS out of the public view and between the 2 people involved.

[PSiedTSi]

dont get me wrong i do my fair share of bsing but i am one of the people that have done somethin more serious with my car...i guess i just kind of like this forum because it has more of a laid back feel to it not so serious about staying on topic like were in a detention center...it has both sides of the scene...the bsing and the car techie part...

[Guest]

Ok, I'm gonna chime in on this too...

1. I go off-topic. There, I said it.
2. It would be more enjoyable if the OT posts stayed in the OT section.
3. I come here for both the drama (good for a laugh or two) and the tech (as little as there is)
4. It is hard sometimes to tell when someone is giving someone shit or if they are being serious. As a rule of thumb I assume everyone is giving someone else shit if in doubt.
5. There aren't enough projects going on in this town for everyone to be on topic all the time.
6. There are sites that do stay more on topic www.nasioc.com, www.wrxhackers.com are two that I can think of off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others that do as well BUT they are more in tune w/ a larger geographical area than one a town of what 150,000? (including suburbs...I dunno, just guessing there). They are probably in areas that are not so dominated by musclecars so there are more people w/ imports or sport compacts. It's hard to get it out of your head that there are more than 3 major car companies in the USA when you are brought up Ford/Dodge/Chevy...unfortunately some people never even give imports a chance around here because they are raised that way.
7. Like others have said, noone is forcing anyone to come to fargostreet.
8. Having said all of the above, it would be nice if this site would mature a bit.
9. See #8
10. There would be nothing ever posted if it was all on topic...sad but true reality.

[PSI2HI]

I know there's a half a dozen other people on here who's views are the same as mine but nobody is gonna open their mouths. I think the only other person who helps me try keep shit on track and says something about all the BS is Blake.

How about some of you who dont thread whore anbd who actually use this board for useful information post up w/ your view on this and your $.02. Wes? Troy? Cartman? Tjamz? Dave? Matt?

I know Cartman and Troy run the Minot board and they seem to keep everything under control just fine.

[Guest]

I beat you to it nick...see above

[STiSchucky]

I think i get what nick is saying.

Its okay to thread whore if its car related. But if its any hs drama, its bullshit.

[PSI2HI]

I've been asking myself now since i entered this market working @ Type R man idk 6 years ago when Fargo will start to expand and when the scene will explode. Based off what i've seen here over the past year i know why it isn't. If no one pushes for a change or tries to make a difference in how things get run or how are scene is portrayed it never will change for the better.

[My NOva]

PSI2HI wrote:
I've been asking myself now since i entered this market working @ Type R man idk 6 years ago when Fargo will start to expand and when the scene will explode. Based off what i've seen here over the past year i know why it isn't. If no one pushes for a change or tries to make a difference in how things get run or how are scene is portrayed it never will change for the better.
whats ur idea of better?

[Guest]

I think you're missing the point here Kirk. I don't think tufte has ever said he doesn't get sucked into an OT post or two now and then (I can probably find numerous posts where he has). The thing is that now and then would be fine. We all have smartass comments we like to make, mainly because we all know each other and can give each other shit. Sometimes we just need to learn some restraint (myself included) and try to keep things on topic. The hardest part is when someone goes OT and then asks a direct question to someone else. That gets that person involved in the OT thread as well and before you know it the whole thread has bloated beyond what the original poster intended.

[My NOva]

tjamz wrote:
I think you're missing the point here Kirk. I don't think tufte has ever said he doesn't get sucked into an OT post or two now and then (I can probably find numerous posts where he has). The thing is that now and then would be fine. We all have smartass comments we like to make, mainly because we all know each other and can give each other shit. Sometimes we just need to learn some restraint (myself included) and try to keep things on topic. The hardest part is when someone goes OT and then asks a direct question to someone else. That gets that person involved in the OT thread as well and before you know it the whole thread has bloated beyond what the original poster intended.
well said there thats the most senseful post i ever read

[Flowcus]

Ok so your threatening us by saying we arent going to know shit or have our questions answered if you leave? Correct me if im wrong but there is a forum somewhere for everyone of us that own a car and the car we own where we can get our questions answered.

And look who the hypocrit is... what about the people that dont know you that well nick? The people that see you coming on here freaking out like this... about practically nothing... something as stupid as you are bitching about. And they see you representing your business in the way you are... your no better then us right now nick. Except for the fact that you could very well be jeoprodizing some business for yourself by turning people away from SLS acting the way you are right now.

Now how about everyone disreguards all the assholes, keeps all the off topic shit where it belongs, and doesnt start any more pissing matches. Ill start right now... from now on all my bullshit posts will stay in the off topic forums, I wont start any more pissing matches, or saying anything about performance parts and how they effect my car because a certain select "CAR GODS" as they think they are will try and shoot me down.

Oh and nick... who is the asshole that flames everyone on the boards for bench racing? Or flames them for stating what a part or a turbo kit or nitrous can do for their car. Who is the asshole that tells them to do it... when in fact they were simply stating that nitrous can get them around this time, or a turbo kit can get them around this certain horsepower. Who is the asshole that acts like he knows everything about every car in the world and makes fun of people or flames them for even trying to say something about a car.

Oh yeah YOU... perhaps its you that needs an attitude change because your not the only shop in fargo and your shit certainly does stink as bad as ours.

[STiSchucky]

tjamz wrote:
I think you're missing the point here Kirk. I don't think tufte has ever said he doesn't get sucked into an OT post or two now and then (I can probably find numerous posts where he has). The thing is that now and then would be fine. We all have smartass comments we like to make, mainly because we all know each other and can give each other shit. Sometimes we just need to learn some restraint (myself included) and try to keep things on topic. The hardest part is when someone goes OT and then asks a direct question to someone else. That gets that person involved in the OT thread as well and before you know it the whole thread has bloated beyond what the original poster intended.
all im saying is stay outta Run your mouth, everybody stays happy. If you need someone to hold your hand while reading the forums, then well you got some problems. If you wanna expand it, how about putting after Run your mouth..:Bullshit dont read if not interested.

[My NOva]

Flowcus wrote:
your shit certainly does stink as bad as ours.
great way to end a post....lol

[Guest]

My NOva wrote:
whats ur idea of better?
My idea of better? (I know, you asked nick, but this is my answer)

Less drama between shops, people, etc...

Shops working TOGETHER to promote the scene here in town. Whether it be shows, dragraces, autox, whatever. I'm sure not all of the shops in Mpls get along super well w/ each other, but it seems that they manage to put that aside to host one big show a year (autovations) where all the shops are present (though propulshun is the main host).

Better would also be people actively trying to IMPROVE the image of the sport compact crowd by not fucking around when driving on city streets (out in the country is one thing, but its WAAAAAAYYYY too visible when we weave in and out of traffic in town and blow through stoplights and stuff).

Better would be not cocking off to V8 owners, lets face it, a lot of them are the generation just above me (35+). Sure, they call us rice burners and whatnot...be the bigger man, ask them to come to the track and watch some of us "riceburners" and see if their opinion changes. It will never change if we are cocky, we will always sound like little immature kids that don't know any better if we talk shit back to them.

Decent car clubs. Wouldn't it be great if different car clubs could get along and actually organize some events together? Whether it be a cruise, a race night, a BBQ, whatever. Right now all the clubs seem to have beef w/ the other clubs in town. So as soon as you make 15 new friends in one club you alienate 50 other people (and sometimes shops too) just by joining.

[weshole]

O.K. here goes. Everyone that has posted on this IS RIGHT. All are valid points. Heres the big problem. This site is very young and it hasn't matured as fast as some of us (including me) would like. I absolutely WILL NOT dissagree with anyone on here on there views of this site. But I will lean to Nicks side on the post whoring. If someone asks a tech ? or even a simple one, it seems to turn into a flaming contest. It doesnt matter which forum it is either. AND I'M JUST AS GUILTY AS THE NEXT GUY FOR GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE BULLSHIT FROM TIME TO TIME!! This site does however need moderators, and as it grows which I hope it does that need will be greater. Something that I know that Jim wont be able to do alone. From what I've read so far, it would seem that even Jim and Nick can't come to an agreement. That's something I thought that I would never see put into writing on the site. I don't live in Fargo-Moorhead either. I live here in good ol Fergus Falls. And if you thought the street scene in Fargo sucked, boy I've got an eye-opener for you. It's alot better there than here. There has been plenty I've learned from the site since it's inception and have meet a number of people since from the area since. half of which I never would have met had the site not existed. Now maybe I'm stepping overboard in say that I also wouldnt know the other half of the people without Nick and Kevin at SLS and I feel that Nick has contributed to the site as well as the scene in a positive way. In a perfect world this discussion wouldn't have taken place. But reality check time. THIS SITE CAN'T BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME. I really feel for Jim in the fact that now he's got to make a decision on where to take the site from here. But the one thing that noone seems to want to do is HELP CHANGE THE SITE. It would relieve alot of tension if we all refrained from blurting in a post whenever we feel like. If we have nothing constructive to say on that certain post, then don't post a Fucking thing. that's what the run your mouth section and chit chat were designed for. Why should Jim and Nick be the ones stuck with babysitting everyone on here. Maybe we should try policing ourselves a little. And I mean you police yourself not each other. Ands like I said before, I'm just as guilty as the next guy.

[Guest]

Amen Weshole, amen.

[PSI2HI]

Flowcus wrote:
Oh and nick... who is the asshole that flames everyone on the boards for bench racing? Or flames them for stating what a part or a turbo kit or nitrous can do for their car. Who is the asshole that tells them to do it... when in fact they were simply stating that nitrous can get them around this time, or a turbo kit can get them around this certain horsepower. Who is the asshole that acts like he knows everything about every car in the world and makes fun of people or flames them for even trying to say something about a car.

Please if you could point this out to me. The only flame war i recall getting into was over the AFC vs Chip use. When in fact the guy arguing the AFC was not the right way to go had never in fact used one. I am not saying anyone will be affected by me leaving. But if all of us who have been in this indusrty just got fed up and stepped out then this would be 100% full of BS and HS pissing matches. SOme of us like to grow out of that and mature a little and try provide positive information and help the indusrty grow. Where as most like to come on here and make a joke of it, rip on someone, rip on somebody's car. All in all it reminds me of the elementary school days of "my dad can beat up your dad". Seriously what good is people flaming each other, everyone telling everyone else "your slow", "your car sucks", having polls of "biggest pussy of the year", "biggest ricer of the year" how mature is this board and how is it providing positive influence to anyone to make a step fwd?

EVERYONE needs to grow up!

[YellowEvo]

It gives us something to talk about instaed of sittin here and waiting for another person to come on and post a problem or question only regarding their car or a car they know of....and i just dont get why Drag comes on and calls me a fag for no fuckin reason