Obama supporters....

[Guest]

I'd love to see an unscripted/unnegotiated debate between all candidates (VP and Pres) where any question goes. I think McCain would do better than Obama at that and that Biden would destroy Palin...heck let the two candidates ask each other a few questions even. That would be a fun debate to watch. Unfortunately what we are going to see is watered down questions that won't show the candidates true colors.

But having said that, even though a candidate "wins" a debate, it does not guarantee them a seat in the oval office.....Bush proved that.

Now for my take on Obama. He's not a messiah. I disagree with him on many issues, however I feel that he would be a good leader for this country.....but ONLY if he has a republican house/senate to challenge him. Clinton was best during his last six years and was subpar at best during his 1st two. I honestly think Bush would have been better if he had a democrat house and senate for the majority of his term...that way they would have had to challenge each other. Right now, the dems are giving him just enough rope to hang himself, which is too bad. I'd rather see a successful president from EITHER party than one who is not highly regarded. Unfortunately party line politics comes into play and no one gives a flying fuck what happens to our country so long as their party comes out smelling like a rose.

In reality, if both parties worked together more we would be far better off. I'm not saying that each side give in on everything, but at some point you have to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do....is that too much to ask from either party?

[fallguy]

tjamz;237442 wrote:
Basically, the rules of this country are as follows:

Do whatever you want so long as what you are doing does not infringe on the rights of others.

I don't see how gay rights affect me (either in a positive or negative manner).

Morality is great...but not everyone has the same morals. Some religions recognize and allow gay couples, others don't. Which set of morals are right? The one that says "Love everyone as you love yourself" or the one that says "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"?

I'd like to see how long the human race would last if "Adam and Steve" type of morals prevailed. My guess it wouldn't last...wonder why...maybe "God" knew what he was doing.

[GhettoFabulousCRX]

ahaha oh man,, adam and steve

[Guest]

fallguy;237486 wrote:
I'd like to see how long the human race would last if "Adam and Steve" type of morals prevailed. My guess it wouldn't last...wonder why...maybe "God" knew what he was doing.

I never said he didn't know what he was doing. I just fail to see how homosexuality affects me or anyone around me. Aren't we supposed to NOT judge others? Isn't that God's duty?

[Bassplayer]

What if god isn't real??? I thought government wasn't supposed to be about religion?

[Bookem]

Homophobia is gay

[2wheeler]

^^^^^^^^ truth.

[DaveH]

Bookem;237507 wrote:
Homophobia is gay

thats some funny stuff right there.

:bom:

[DaveH]

tjamz;237491 wrote:
I never said he didn't know what he was doing. I just fail to see how homosexuality affects me or anyone around me. Aren't we supposed to NOT judge others? Isn't that God's duty?

Who is doing any judging here?

Personally, I don't care if they want to take it in the seat, the ear, the nose or whatever orifice they want when they are in the bedroom. It will all get sorted out in the end (pun intended). How it does affect me/you is when the laws of the land are affected to suit their lifestyle.

[Guest]

ah...but now the laws are suited to meet my lifestyle and the lifestyle of heterosexual couples. I fail to see how allowing gay marriage is going to affect my lifestyle one way or another. It's not going to make me or anyone else turn gay. It might bring a few more out of the closet, but that doesn't affect me either....other than seeing more rainbow bumper stickers.

Last time I checked it wasn't illegal to be in a homosexual relationship or partake in homosexual activities, so why is it illegal for them to marry (or enter a "civil union"...whatever...same thing) or why should they not be afforded the same rights as a hetero couple would receive (they don't even have the same rights as non-married hetero couples...for example, health insurance....I know many hetero couples who are not married but get family rate health coverage, and I know a few gay people who do not qualify for health coverage for their "life partner" even though they have been living together for 15+ years)

I really don't care one way or another about homosexuality, it's not something I'd ever partake in, but I think that they are humans/citizens like everyone else and they should be afforded the same basic rights as everyone else.

[2wheeler]

DaveH;237521 wrote:
How it does affect me/you is when the laws of the land are affected to suit their lifestyle.
Such as?

tjamz;237537 wrote:
ah...but now the laws are suited to meet my lifestyle and the lifestyle of heterosexual couples. I fail to see how allowing gay marriage is going to affect my lifestyle one way or another. It's not going to make me or anyone else turn gay. It might bring a few more out of the closet, but that doesn't affect me either....other than seeing more rainbow bumper stickers.

Last time I checked it wasn't illegal to be in a homosexual relationship or partake in homosexual activities, so why is it illegal for them to marry (or enter a "civil union"...whatever...same thing) or why should they not be afforded the same rights as a hetero couple would receive (they don't even have the same rights as non-married hetero couples...for example, health insurance....I know many hetero couples who are not married but get family rate health coverage, and I know a few gay people who do not qualify for health coverage for their "life partner" even though they have been living together for 15+ years)

I really don't care one way or another about homosexuality, it's not something I'd ever partake in, but I think that they are humans/citizens like everyone else and they should be afforded the same basic rights as everyone else.

I agree.

[Guest]

oh no...me and ethan agree....how gay is that?

[DaveH]

tjamz;237537 wrote:
ah...but now the laws are suited to meet my lifestyle and the lifestyle of heterosexual couples. I fail to see how allowing gay marriage is going to affect my lifestyle one way or another. It's not going to make me or anyone else turn gay. It might bring a few more out of the closet, but that doesn't affect me either....other than seeing more rainbow bumper stickers..

Actually the 1st ammendment is getting trampled on, why is the government involved in deciding who is allowed to get married in the first place? Marriage is a religious institution, religious entities should decide who does or does not get married. What happened to "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"?

tjamz;237537 wrote:
Last time I checked it wasn't illegal to be in a homosexual relationship or partake in homosexual activities, so why is it illegal for them to marry (or enter a "civil union"...whatever...same thing) ).

Bzzzz. Wrong. Not the same thing. If gay folks want to set up their own "union" of sorts I could give a rats ass less.

tjamz;237537 wrote:
or why should they not be afforded the same rights as a hetero couple would receive (they don't even have the same rights as non-married hetero couples...for example, health insurance....I know many hetero couples who are not married but get family rate health coverage, and I know a few gay people who do not qualify for health coverage for their "life partner" even though they have been living together for 15+ years).

Instead of trying to change the definition of marriage, gay activists should petition insurance companies to change their policies to include their lifestyle as one that gets the "family rate". Or they should petition hospitals to change their policies so they can visit their "partner" in the hospital. The solution is that simple. The "equal rights" thing is a bunch of crap. Family rate health insurance isn't a "right", it's a benefit that insurance companies came up with. Visitation in the hospital isn't a "right", it a rule that hospitals set up to keep unwanted visitors out.

tjamz;237537 wrote:
I really don't care one way or another about homosexuality, it's not something I'd ever partake in, but I think that they are humans/citizens like everyone else and they should be afforded the same basic rights as everyone else.

Exactly, the same rights given all of us in the bill of rights (aka the first 10 ammendments to the constitution.

http://www.constitution.org/billofr_.htm

[DaveH]

Wow, was everyone so dazzled at my brilliance that they are silent?

:bom:

[SPANISH-RICE]

I was

[DaveH]

SPANISH-RICE;237868 wrote:
I was

:bom:

Here is a little humor to lighten things up, written by an old fart:

The other day I went downtown to run a few errands. I went into the
local coffee shop for a snack. I was only there for about 5 minutes, and
when I came out, there was this cop writing out a parking
ticket.

I said to him, 'Come on, man, how about giving a retired person a
break'?
He ignored me and continued writing the ticket. His insensitivity
annoyed me, so I called him a 'Nazi.'
He glared at me and then wrote out another ticket for having worn tires.
So I proceeded to call him 'doughnut eating Gestapo.'
He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the
first.
Then he wrote a third ticket when I called him a moron in blue.

This went on for about 20 minutes. The more I talked back to him the
more tickets he wrote.

Personally, I didn't really care. I came downtown on the bus,
because gas prices were so high and the car that he was putting the
tickets on had one of those bumper stickers that said, 'Obama in 08'.

I try to have a little fun each day now that I'm retired. The
doctor tells me that it's important to my health.

[SPANISH-RICE]

hahaha

[Bassplayer]

^^ that's awesome.