Guantanamo bay and Obama
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GarageAlchemist;255887 wrote:
so you just said that you would rather 30,000 innocent people die than one innocent man, who must have done SOMETHING, end up in GT bay? Wow, Chuck, wow.And GT bay is a far cry from the Gulag, so don't even throw that out there. That's such a BS comparison i can't even start on that one.
It's easy to cry about fair treatment of prisoners and terrorists while you sit in your nice comfy office or home typing away on your computer. Its easy for you and me and everyone to say how it should be, but that is different from what needs to be done. Its sad that we as Americans have gotten so out of touch with what it takes to be able to preserve this lifestyle. You and i have never had to pay the price for what we have.
Funny, I agree with a post that someone else wrote and I get accused of being the guy saying it. But on principle I do agree, because as thrash has posted I don't want to stop being America to protect America.
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He closed it.
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how about we load em up in a jeep and send em down a long road riddled with roadside bombs?
You may not agree that it should be closed, or that we should keep prisoners without holding a trial. But its all perspective. To them, WE are the terrorists, to us, THEY are the terrorists? Who is right? None are right, and all are right. But they aren't going to stop trying to kill us, so what is it that we should do? I say holding them in a cell is much better than what they would rather do to us.
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In all honesty, I don't think that Gitmo should be closed. I also don't see a point in holding them there indefinitely either. Get the information we need from prisoners or whatnot and either execute them, let them go or charge them with something and lock 'em up. The state of limbo is not necessarily a good thing.
That being said, there is a lot of information that goes into this decision that we are not privy to so any speculation/opinions that we have may or may not be completely accurate.
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GarageAlchemist;257046 wrote:
how about we load em up in a jeep and send em down a long road riddled with roadside bombs?You may not agree that it should be closed, or that we should keep prisoners without holding a trial. But its all perspective. To them, WE are the terrorists, to us, THEY are the terrorists? Who is right? None are right, and all are right. But they aren't going to stop trying to kill us, so what is it that we should do? I say holding them in a cell is much better than what they would rather do to us.
I think the main difference between "us" and "them" is that we never try to kill civilians in wartime nor do we hide behind civilians to try protect ourselves. That is a big difference between how the two sides operate...sure we may be viewed as terrorists to them or whoever but there is a big difference in the way we operate vs the way they do.
MisterCMK;257047 wrote:
In all honesty, I don't think that Gitmo should be closed. I also don't see a point in holding them there indefinitely either. Get the information we need from prisoners or whatnot and either execute them, let them go or charge them with something and lock 'em up. The state of limbo is not necessarily a good thing.That being said, there is a lot of information that goes into this decision that we are not privy to so any speculation/opinions that we have may or may not be completely accurate.
Exactly. We don't know half of the story when it comes to most of this stuff but I think just shutting it down is kind of a short sighted attempt at trying to appease to world and make yourself (referring to Obama) look like you care.
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shit, we pay for it. And its our "elected leader" that makes the decision, so why shouldn't we be privvy to the information that goes into the decision.
The second part of what Dustin said i agree with totally.
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Shutting it down doesn't necessarily mean they all get sent home. Those held on charges will be sent to a different detainment camp elsewhere (from my understanding)
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I fuckin love this.
Obama shuts it down-idiot
Mccain shuts it down-brilliant.
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The whole thing is a big sham so Obama can score points with the lefties. He said he's going to close it within the next year? wtf? Over the course of the year he's going to decide what should be done with them... shouldn't he have thought that through before hand?
DaveH
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Bp-08;255724 wrote:
they are suspected terrorists. who cares if they are guilty or not. i mean even if they arnt guilty, they were still somehow a suspected terrorists and its not like the government just goes and picks random people and say they are a terrorist.
People who are "persons of interest" aren't necessarily thrown into slammers either in murder cases whatever. -
Yeah, very. Wonder what the task force is consisted of. More than what we'll ever know
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for one isnt there more important things to worry about right now?
and secondly, if i had to spend a year in gitmo i would probably try to blow up america too.
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i think its funny they have a rehab program for former Jihadists!
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24valvenotak;257149 wrote:
for one isnt there more important things to worry about right now? Ask Obama, he's the one that brought it up24valvenotak;257149 wrote:
and secondly, if i had to spend a year in gitmo i would probably try to blow up america too.You got it backwards... they try to blow america up, so they end up in gitmo.
Its actually a pretty cushy place compared to anywhere else they could go. What other options does Obama have to put them? Any U.S. based prison and they will be killed by the inmates, so they'd have to be in isolation the whole time. I'd take gitmo over solitary confinment any day.DaveH
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StangerBanger96;257048 wrote:
Exactly. We don't know half of the story when it comes to most of this stuff but I think just shutting it down is kind of a short sighted attempt at trying to appease to world and make yourself (referring to Obama) look like you care.aww fuck, did I actually bring reason and logic into Fargostreet again?
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Trafik Jamz;257258 wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/la-na-gitmo22dec22,0,2294365.storyGo touch yourself with rusty fishhooks.
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