Another DSM
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yeah i did say i was gonna get the internals replaced and get the t70 but then i changed my mind...decided to leave the internals for now and get the t3/t4 turbo.....and i;d love to see a 4g63 block handle 500 hp with all the stock internals...you tell me what whoever has 400HP+ in there Eclipse...what turbo they have and what psi they are running and i will tell you if ur a idiot or not
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Didnt Tufte run 400hp+ on stock internals? I remember him running stock internals for quite some time after breaking down his built motor. Correct me If I'm wrong here.
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hmm well nick tufte has a SCM61 PTE turbo and he made 530whp at 30psi off the bottle...and if i remember right that was all stock bottom end...1g rods 2g pistons and uhh kevin smith has a PTE50 trim
and made a shade over 415whp with around 30psi on stock longblock!! and then theres nate burgess and hes got a SBR 60-1 making over 500whp with who knows how much boost and AEM EMS...that enough for you? -
DAMN talk about some quick replies. I went back check out the original post, and now I come back here and you guys already typed up a few replies!
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Guys....lets not forget....checkers on your paintjob add like 250 whp doesnt it? He's probally right. Better watch out tufte, burgess, and smith. You guys need to add some decals and maybe you guys can all race
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6-bolt bottom-end can handle around 550-600hp. It has been proven several times with John Shepard, Al Blaha and Tym Swyzter. Al Blaha ran 10.5 at 132 with stock bottom end, sans 2g pistons. Motor was never pulled from the car. This was with a Red and HKS 272 cams. 1g intake manifold and hacked 1g MAS.
7-bolts can't handle as much but it also depends on the application. Russ Coxe is running low 10s with a T72 and NOS and he's still running a 7-bolt. He's also an Automatic too though. As for a 10-sec or better 7-bolt.....it might, but not for long.
Wiz
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ohhh man...pretty sure only ur car would add 250 whp if u added checkers...my car HAD checkers....Took them off as soon as i got the car...so MAYBE...JUST MAYBE will the 4g63 block handle more than 400 HP...but running 30 psi....that alot of pressure on your engine.....and then with spray...thats even more ....no possible way he had all stock internals...he probably did when he first got the bigger turbo and the spray...then he took his car out...hit the spray and ther went his whole damn engine.....and if im not mistaken....when u rebuild a engine...maybe you dont but most people replace everything....so that woould mean...no more CRANKWALK!!!!!!!!!!.....now go get ur 1994 grand prix...and race my grandma...because im sure u could keep up wit her.
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oh and my t3/t4 is.... - T3/04E 57 Trim
Stage 3 wheel
.50 A/R Compressor
.60 A/R Turbine
3" Inlet, 2.25" Ex
Flow: 47 lbs/minute...is that good enough for you? -
Arguing On The Internet Is Like Running In The Special Olympics....even If You Win...your Still Retarded
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nvsgsx wrote:
ohhh man...pretty sure only ur car would add 250 whp if u added checkers...my car HAD checkers....Took them off as soon as i got the car...so MAYBE...JUST MAYBE will the 4g63 block handle more than 400 HP...but running 30 psi....that alot of pressure on your engine.....and then with spray...thats even more ....no possible way he had all stock internals...he probably did when he first got the bigger turbo and the spray...then he took his car out...hit the spray and ther went his whole damn engine.....and if im not mistaken....when u rebuild a engine...maybe you dont but most people replace everything....so that woould mean...no more CRANKWALK!!!!!!!!!!.....now go get ur 1994 grand prix...and race my grandma...because im sure u could keep up wit her.I don't get it... Nick Tufte from SLS had over 500whp on stock internals... what part of that aren't you understanding... stop by his shop at SLS and look at the dyno run if you'd like...
replace everything all you want, but at the end of the day if you're still running a 7-bolt, it can still crankwalk.... trust me I know from experience
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DSM 101...
Looking like 530whp shutting down early @ 7500RPM. Stock pistons, stock rods, stock crank. Setup still runs today in another car. I just lost interest in the car. Setup would have easily made 550+ on that pull.
But yeah do some research before you tell people what can and cant be done especially if you haven't done it yourself, because some people have!!!
Nick
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hey just cause i daily drive a grand prix doesnt mean i dont know a thing or 2 about cars...and nice come back because ya know i was cocking off about my car right?...oh yeah maybe i have another car...ever think of that? this is not really the area to be telling people what can and cannot be done with a dsm.
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ok, i think we've made our point that he's a bit foggy on what the 4g63 has done in the past. keep in mind, my block is still stock, i'm going to try beating nick's 530 run...
however, what you didn't add is that nick's head is still stock (except cams?) , and the intake is a magnus, made for daily driving AND freaky top end
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