For the import haters
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it is so obvious you have never been anywhere with alot of cool cars. Just because fargo only has 3-4 cars that have big power doesnt mean its like that all over. Take bills car, i would bet that it could knock down a minimum of 14mpg on E85, with no OD. Not bad for a car with ~1500hp. And did you ever run your mighty 350whp car? On street tires? since i doubt your gonna drive 200miles to the track on slicks, bet it would have ran SWEET high 13s. And HP/liter is the most retarded argument in history, for real it has no merit in anything. Just because some companies dont want to rev their cars to 9k, and make absolutely no power where it counts (under 4k where you are 99% of the time) doesnt mean they are inefficient. For example, take AVERAGE hp/liter under the curve, i would bet big money that a LS1/LS2 would make almost twice that of a S2000, not to mention the ability to carry 4 people and groceries. Wait, a new 430hp vette gets 30mpg? NO WAY! Did I drive my T/A (which was a POS smallblock, not a efficient LS) 140miles to BIR, run it multiple times, drive it back and still get 24.5 MPG?? I dont beleive that either.
BTW, the Ecotec is a far superior motor to hondas 4 cyl. The K comes close, and may even tie, but it is of my opinion that the Eco is still a better overall design. And i would rather pay a little more for gas to not be driving back from the cities@ 32mpg in a loud POS tin can. Ever seen one of those get hit by a pickup? theres a reason alot of people wont drive one. That and its FWD, which is FTMFL on all counts
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Parker;282624 wrote:
looks like it to me...So, how do N/A hondas make more power? They must de-stroke their engines and take away fuel? Because adding more fuel and air in a bigger combustion chamber is only going to hinder power....
Youre twisting my words and you know it. Weak attempt at debate. Make accurate points
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PVC SQUAD MEMBER #2- 95 CIVIC EX- DD 320whp on a mustang dyno
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SPANISH-RICE;282607 wrote:
YES I DID WATCH THE MOVIE AND IT WAS FULL OF COMMENTS FROM IGNORANT FUCKS MUCH LIKE YOURSELF. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT FUEL EFFICIENCY IS NOTHING TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHEN BUILDING STREET CAR MOTOR? WHETHER YOUR JUST IGNORING THAT FACTOR BECAUSE ITS A "RACE CAR" OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BEING EFFICIENT WITH FUEL IS STILL A FACTOR.POWER TO WEIGHT IS JUST ONE COMPARISON I POINTED OUT. IGNORING POWER PER LITER ARE WE? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YOUR BULLSHIT DOMESTIC COMPANIES COULDN'T MAKE A DECENT LOWER DISPLACEMENT MOTOR IF THEIR BUSINESS RELIED ON IT. WHICH IS FUNNY, BECAUSE THIS IS THE EXACT REASON THEY AREN'T SELLING ANY CARS AND GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.
AND I WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT MY CAR. MY CAR PERFORMS IN ALL CATEGORIES. I BELIEVE ON e85 COMING BACK FROM THE CITIES I GOT 32MPG. WITH 350+ HP. WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO FILL A TANK OF GAS FOR 16 DOLLARS AND HAVE IT LAST 300+ MILES? THAN HAVE IT TRACK CAPABLE FOR AN 11 SECOND PASS? OR ARE YOU TO BUSY IGNORING TO CLEAN YOUR WHITE TRASH MULLET AND TALKING SHIT TO PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW ONLINE ABOUT THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT?
lol..... is this for real?
SPANISH-RICE;282607 wrote:
AND I WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT MY CAR. MY CAR PERFORMS IN ALL CATEGORIES.you lie.... or you must have an interesting drifting technique
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SPANISH-RICE;282630 wrote:
Youre twisting my words and you know it. Weak attempt at debate. Make accurate points
so... are you going to answer how your mighty N/A hondas make big power? anything? less fuel maybe? de-stroke? i just want to know.... please school me.... -
hey 00Ws6TransAm doesn't your car run mid-low 10's???
Doesn't it do this while driving completely like a normal street car??
I bet you must feel perty retarded doing an actual burnout huh??
i bet you feel even dumber by not spinning the full track length and running a 13 huh??
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grr;282629 wrote:
it is so obvious you have never been anywhere with alot of cool cars. Just because fargo only has 3-4 cars that have big power doesnt mean its like that all over. Take bills car, i would bet that it could knock down a minimum of 14mpg on e85, with no od. Not bad for a car with ~1500hp. And did you ever run your mighty 350whp car? On street tires? Since i doubt your gonna drive 200miles to the track on slicks, bet it would have ran sweet high 13s. And hp/liter is the most retarded argument in history, for real it has no merit in anything. Just because some companies dont want to rev their cars to 9k, and make absolutely no power where it counts (under 4k where you are 99% of the time) doesnt mean they are inefficient. For example, take average hp/liter under the curve, i would bet big money that a ls1/ls2 would make almost twice that of a s2000, not to mention the ability to carry 4 people and groceries. Wait, a new 430hp vette gets 30mpg? No way! Did i drive my t/a (which was a pos smallblock, not a efficient ls) 140miles to bir, run it multiple times, drive it back and still get 24.5 mpg?? I dont beleive that either.Btw, the ecotec is a far superior motor to hondas 4 cyl. The k comes close, and may even tie, but it is of my opinion that the eco is still a better overall design. And i would rather pay a little more for gas to not be driving back from the cities@ 32mpg in a loud pos tin can. Ever seen one of those get hit by a pickup? Theres a reason alot of people wont drive one. That and its fwd, which is ftmfl on all counts
i think we are trying to compare 2 very different things. Obviously for huge hp cars like 1000hp+ your going to run out of enough motor to even move enough air. But what i'm saying is your shit box domestics cant make a decent product. This isn't just who makes more power. Its that the only way those companies know how to make power is by going the easy route. God forbid your crappy domestic companies will innovate something worth giving a shit about.
And besides we dont need huge 1000+ hp cars to go fast. Thats the beauty of power/weight. We can go 9's with 450+
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PVC SQUAD MEMBER #2- 95 CIVIC EX- DD 320whp on a mustang dyno
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http://www.ferrari.com/English/Pages/Home.aspx
to much east vs west. Middle is best.
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zbrown;282633 wrote:
hey 00ws6transam doesn't your car run mid-low 10's???Doesn't it do this while driving completely like a normal street car??
I bet you must feel perty retarded doing an actual burnout huh??
I bet you feel even dumber by not spinning the full track length and running a 13 huh??
wow you even type like a hick
i should be impressed how? This still doesnt prove me wrong, but it doesn show youre running out of argumentative material and would rather insult the poster. Good work
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PVC SQUAD MEMBER #2- 95 CIVIC EX- DD 320whp on a mustang dyno
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zbrown;282492 wrote:
lol, for an example look at the malibu, accord, camry, and fusion...all 09's...... funny that both the domestics get better mileage??funny that the chevy equinox also gets better mileage than the RAV-4 or the CR-V
weird the 09 cobalt (non hybrid) does better in MPG than the 09 civic (non hybrid)
or from just glancing that GM has more models that get better than 30 mpg than Honda
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SPANISH-RICE;282607 wrote:
YES I DID WATCH THE MOVIE AND IT WAS FULL OF COMMENTS FROM IGNORANT FUCKS MUCH LIKE YOURSELF. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT FUEL EFFICIENCY IS NOTHING TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHEN BUILDING STREET CAR MOTOR? WHETHER YOUR JUST IGNORING THAT FACTOR BECAUSE ITS A "RACE CAR" OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BEING EFFICIENT WITH FUEL IS STILL A FACTOR.POWER TO WEIGHT IS JUST ONE COMPARISON I POINTED OUT. IGNORING POWER PER LITER ARE WE? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YOUR BULLSHIT DOMESTIC COMPANIES COULDN'T MAKE A DECENT LOWER DISPLACEMENT MOTOR IF THEIR BUSINESS RELIED ON IT. WHICH IS FUNNY, BECAUSE THIS IS THE EXACT REASON THEY AREN'T SELLING ANY CARS AND GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.
AND I WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT MY CAR. MY CAR PERFORMS IN ALL CATEGORIES. I BELIEVE ON e85 COMING BACK FROM THE CITIES I GOT 32MPG. WITH 350+ HP. WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO FILL A TANK OF GAS FOR 16 DOLLARS AND HAVE IT LAST 300+ MILES? THAN HAVE IT TRACK CAPABLE FOR AN 11 SECOND PASS? OR ARE YOU TO BUSY IGNORING TO CLEAN YOUR WHITE TRASH MULLET AND TALKING SHIT TO PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW ONLINE ABOUT THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT?
zbrown;282633 wrote:
hey 00Ws6TransAm doesn't your car run mid-low 10's???Doesn't it do this while driving completely like a normal street car??
I bet you must feel perty retarded doing an actual burnout huh??
i bet you feel even dumber by not spinning the full track length and running a 13 huh??
That is pretty impressive gas mileage, maybe ill get a car that gets mileage like that to drive around in the winter.
Having a car 'capable' of running 11's and a car that actually runs 11's is a big difference. :icon_queen:
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Yea car ran mid 10's, its perty streetable (full interior, a/c etc). Not the best rwhp/liter ratio(~100rwhp/liter) or hp/weight ratio.
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SPANISH-RICE;282641 wrote:
wow you even type like a hicklol, props dude, that was a hell of an icy burn right there
I posted a collection of facts..... you make no mention to them as if they didn't exist???
you know, the ones parker bumped....
ps... i received a 31 in my English and a 30 in the reading portion of my ACT, not bad for an illiterate hick huh?
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zbrown;282492 wrote:
GM has more models that get better than 30 mpg than HondaYeah, but how many of them are essentially the same car across 3 different brands? (Pontiac, Saturn, Chevy)
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KA-T_240;282578 wrote:
Word! I love me Isuzu!Also on the subject of new diesels..... DPF FTMFL.
TRUTH!
i love this debate, i really do. but are we seriously talking about hp/litre, gayest argument i have ever heard. and why would you build a race car, hi hp car and think about MPG at all. hell the only MPG sort of thing i even think about is diesel fuel/hr on our tractors and such. i dont even think about mpg at all, infact i dont really even pay attention to gas prices, your going to buy the gas or diesel anyways right?
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SPANISH-RICE;282636 wrote:
i think we are trying to compare 2 very different things. Obviously for huge hp cars like 1000hp+ your going to run out of enough motor to even move enough air. But what i'm saying is your shit box domestics cant make a decent product. This isn't just who makes more power. Its that the only way those companies know how to make power is by going the easy route. God forbid your crappy domestic companies will innovate something worth giving a shit about.And besides we dont need huge 1000+ hp cars to go fast. Thats the beauty of power/weight. We can go 9's with 450+
your ignorance is astounding, you really are as dumb as you sound is all im gathering from your posts. And put your money where your mouth is and go 9s with 450hp in a FWD. In fact, i challenge anyone on here to go 11s on street tires, not DRs, street tires and pump gas 91 in ANY honda FWD that you nutswing on all the time. I did it, on the first time to the track, and i got 24mpg on that tank, in a 364ci v8, not to mention i used it to haul a complete engine a couple days before that, and had 5 people in it a couple days before that, comfortably. The world does not operate on 4cyl hondas like you think. It operates on full size 4wd v8 pickups and suvs, which, BTW, are categories honda cant seem to compete in at all especially in fuel economy and capacity
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