Are the local schools running the Obama speech to US students next week?
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DelSlow;287036 wrote:
I don't see why not? Every other president has. It's almost like if you don't want your kid to hear maybe, a different opinion or view point of your own...then that's pretty sad.No offense will but that's your answer for everything. well every other president has done it so whats the big deal. idk maybe people have changed there minds as to what they think should or shouldn't be said in school. ect....
You know people do have the right to change there position on a topic. correct?
You don't think maybe things have gotten to a point where some people would normally blow off what it going on and say "eh, that's politics" are now actually standing up for what they believe. is that so far fetched?
I'm being serious how is it that protesting the president is now something that is wrong will? why are you so pro Obama. i really never see your side other then going "lol" or saying some dumb comment like "everyone else did it , so what?"
come on.....
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Heaven forbid somebody should pray in school, but it's alright to brainwash them with someone elses beliefs!?!? Talk about fucking hippocrates.
Then again, educational institutes have wanted nothing more than to create robot conformists that do only as there told. Even when I was in elementary the teachers punished, to certain extent, the kids that stood out, had an active imagination or were too creative. Basically any nonconformist individual.Only in America would the people be so dumb that they would elect a man with "Hussein" for a middle name after being at war in the middle east because of a tyrant whose last name is "Hussein".
I'm almost ashamed to call my self an American, but I'll stick to my guns and hopefully ride this wave of shit out to what I hope is a good ending.Sterling Archer: Oh my god! You killed a hooker!
Cyril Figgis: Call girl!
Sterling Archer: No Cyril! When they're dead they're just hookers!
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^^^ Fuck! You cant even say the pledge of allegiance in school anymore cause of whining shitstains, " oh no it says God in it!!! ". Why should he need to tell childeren to send him letters on how to help him do his job? Oh thats right! they watch the show that his slogan came from, (can we do it?) YES WE CAN! Oh, and FUCK OBAMA! worthless prick apologizing to everyone for what? standing up four ourselves? Bending down and kissing the Ass of the middle east. Whats next? apologizing to Europe for liberating them from Hitler, and stopping the Russian advance? Oh well, One of these days people might realize eventually what a mental putz he actually is.
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ichibankilla;287067 wrote:
Only in America would the people be so dumb that they would elect a man with "Hussein" for a middle name after being at war in the middle east because of a tyrant whose last name is "Hussein".It's stupid AND ignorant things like this that make me almost ashamed to be American.
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zbrown;287091 wrote:
lol i enjoyed that
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ichibankilla;287067 wrote:
Heaven forbid somebody should pray in school, but it's alright to brainwash them with someone elses beliefs!?!? Talk about fucking hippocrates.
Then again, educational institutes have wanted nothing more than to create robot conformists that do only as there told. Even when I was in elementary the teachers punished, to certain extent, the kids that stood out, had an active imagination or were too creative. Basically any nonconformist individual.Only in America would the people be so dumb that they would elect a man with "Hussein" for a middle name after being at war in the middle east because of a tyrant whose last name is "Hussein".
I'm almost ashamed to call my self an American, but I'll stick to my guns and hopefully ride this wave of shit out to what I hope is a good ending.-
The pledge of allegiance can still be said in schools. Even the "under God" portion of it (called a few friends w/ school aged children who verified this).
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I can't speak for your experiences in school, but unless I was causing a scene, no one ever "punished" creativity or thinking outside of the box. They may have questioned what I was thinking, but never ever told me not to think one way or another. Maybe things have changed. I don't know.
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The "Hussein" as a middle name thing kills me and is in my opinion the #1 reason the republican party doesn't get taken seriously on a lot of things. Yes, Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator, but former King Hussein of Jordan was a staunch ally of ours during desert storm. This argument is like saying that Reggie Bush has a great political future ahead of him since there have been two presidents named Bush....or that I would be a great person to run an ice cream shop because my last name is Schwan. Again, hate Obama for legitimate reasons (there are enough of them out there) but leave the petty playground shit out of it as it makes you sound EXTREMELY uneducated.
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Trafik Jamz;287128 wrote:
3. The "Hussein" as a middle name thing kills me and is in my opinion the #1 reason the republican party doesn't get taken seriously on a lot of things. Yes, Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator, but former King Hussein of Jordan was a staunch ally of ours during desert storm. This argument is like saying that Reggie Bush has a great political future ahead of him since there have been two presidents named Bush....or that I would be a great person to run an ice cream shop because my last name is Schwan. Again, hate Obama for legitimate reasons (there are enough of them out there) but leave the petty playground shit out of it as it makes you sound EXTREMELY uneducated.This is true. Regardless of who you support, c'mon and pull your head out of your ass. Everyone says something needs to change in the country and the point of contention is his fucking MIDDLE name??
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What is this a surprise?
Liberals run the schooling in the nation. On my campus I only know a handful of people that aren't Obama worshipers.
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I should have worded my post better. I just thought the name issue was kind of ironic because elections, not necessarily presidential, have been won and lost in the past based on a candidates name. I was simply making an observation.
I guess this is what happens when a mere mortal tries to post in a thread full of political gurus.
Sterling Archer: Oh my god! You killed a hooker!
Cyril Figgis: Call girl!
Sterling Archer: No Cyril! When they're dead they're just hookers!
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I agree with you T Jamz on the name thing, i think i understood what Ichi meant, but it did sound bad the way it was worded. As for the pledge, locally it may still be true that the pledge is alive, But look to bigger citys and more liberal areas, it is happening, they are either not saying the pledge or rewording it. I lived in NY for a while when i was younger and they were bickering about it then. It really shouldn't matter, "One nation under God" I see no problem with it cause weather it is a Muslim, Christian, Jehovah's Witness, Ect, it says God, not any specific god, whatever god you believe in is up to you. Now if you don't agree with the pledge, don't fu**ing recite it! Stand (or sit) respectfully and quietly till it is over. Too many people think they are entitled to force their opinions or beliefs on everyone else. Obama is stuck on the idea that everybody is entitled to the same wealth's as their neighbor. Well Bullshit! i am nowhere near rich, i have a piss poor paying crap job, but I'm not whining for handouts, If you are wealthy because you had a great idea, good education, were born into it, so be it! That doesn't give me the right to make you support me cause I'm not rich, and if you are a lazy no job bum, same thing applies then you only have the right to the fruits of your own labor, NOTHING! Now there are cases where people can't support themselves due to illnesses ect, they may truly need the support, and that's a different story.
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[warning: long-ass thrash posting ahead]
Quick Fun Fact: "Under God" didn't show up in the Pledge of Allegience until the 1950s. You're right when you're talking about people wanting to force their views on others, and it works both ways: it took a substantial lobbying/favor effort to get Under God added to the pledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_the_words_.22under_God.22
I agree with you on one point though: some people simply get too bent out of shape about any mention of religion anywhere.
Now, regarding the pledge of allegience: I have a interesting [to me] story to relate. I went to the Fargo Tea Party a while back and they started the evening with the Pledge.
I hadn't said it in years and as it was announced that we were going to start it, I paniced. The question that ran through my mind was, "Do I really beleive these words? Is this an Oath I should be taking?"
This isn't the America that the stars and stripes were raised over; this isn't the America we liberated from the British, this isn't the America governed by the first and finest negative-liberties constitution anywhere in the world. This land.. this place that shares a geographic footprint with where America started and faded away.. is something else.
In our nation of today, we have adopted all of the platform planks of the (unsuccessful, unelected) Socialist Party of America of the early 1900s.
Our money is owned and controlled by a semi-private national bank -- the creation of which is not only unconstitutional, but is so shadowy that no name is attached to the final draft of the legislation creating it (the Federal Reserve Act).
The purchasing power of today's dollar is less than 3% of what it was 100 years ago. You can surmise that any money you save today will lose more than 70% of its value in the next 50 years. For most of you, that means saving money to retire today is pointless: money of today will be worthless by the time you want to use it.
Our own armed forces, deployed on our own soil in peace time, have forcefully disarmed and confiscated weapons from our own law abiding citizens. (NOLA, post Katrina). The last time "our" government threatened to do this, the revolutionary war happened.
The US federal government, instead of being the small government envisioned by our founders, is now the largest employer on the entire planet.
Our founders -- who had just gotten finished defeating the strongest military in the entire world -- expected us to NOT have a standing army! We were to have no entangling alliances with other nations, and we were to not meddle in the affairs of others.
Instead, we have soldiers stationed in 130 foreign countries and active non-wars on two continents. I call them non-wars because the congress, the only body allowed to make a declaration of war, never declared a war, and yet still our soldiers are being killed just the same.
Our constitution says that the government must be restrained, so that the intrinsic rights of man -- his life, liberty, and property -- may be kept safe from the violence of governors. Instead, our government ignores these rights, so that it can steal from us to create false rights -- the right to a job, the right to shelter, the right to a good meal, and now the right to health insurance?. But these positive rights can only be created by destroying our real rights -- the right to keep our property, and ultimately, the right to keep our lives.
Our federal government has detained a US citizen, on US soil, and held him in a federal prison for multiple years without ever filing charges against him.
Earlier in our history, the government was happy to go through the pretense of caring by amending the constitution to grant itself power -- the 16th amendment stripped away all previous limitations on the nature of taxation, and led to the creation of the Income tax and many other subsequent taxes. But at least they acknowledged that to have such taxes, they'd need to change what the law allowed them to do.
But now, the government doesn't even bother. Take every item in the bill of rights, and ask yourself if the federal government respects and follows it, or merely pays it lip service and does whatever they please.
So as I stood there saying the words, I decided what I really meant: I pledge my Allegience to the *Idea *of America, and to any Americans that similarly support that idea.
But I don't know where they all went, and I don't know where that America is today, and I don't know how to do my part to actually act on my oath to support it.
Is "The United States of America" only a name attached to a geographic location? When nobody was "from here", what made us "Americans" was the ideology that we shared -- the idea of a limited government that stayed out of our way, so that each of us could lead our lives as we chose.
If that meaning is gone, if being "American" simply means you were born south of Canada and north of Mexico -- then I can't pledge allegience to that any more than I could promise never to live on the other side of the Mississippi or the other side of town. It's a meaningless promise, spoken by someone with no convictions or no understanding. And I'm afraid that those are entirely the types of people we're left with. The men who've destroyed the ideas and the realization this nation were founded on have nothing more to their credit than being born in a particular spot. The shame of it all is not only what we've lost, but who we've lost it to.
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EXCELLENT post thrash!
Starting first with the pledge of allegiance: IF you were an atheist, would you REALLY want to pledge your allegiance to a country if within that pledge you have to state that you followed God? Isn't that part of why America parted ways with the British in the first place and why pilgrims (early settlers, etc...) came over here to avoid religious prosecution? Yet so many of us get bent out of shape when someone is of a different faith than the general populous.
Excluding the postal service, our gov't had 1,774,000 people on the payroll in 2007 according to the US Dept of Labor. In 2008 walmart edged them out (slightly) with an estimated 2,100,000 employees. Given all the federal jobs added in the past 2 years I'm willing to bet they have now overtaken walmart.
What this country truly needs is a revolution...not a war with the US gov't, but a political overthrowing with people willing to work for the good of the people running it and the reforming of the government "of the people, by the people, for the people". A good start would be term limits for every federal elected official.
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holy balls. Nice post Thrash.
But, about the standing army, Congress decided that we would need a standing army, and attempted to put a 5,000 troop limit on it. In response to this idea, George Washington said, " That will work fine, as long as we can also pass a law to limit invading armies to 3,000 troops"
Every thing else i agree with. I feel like we need as a nation no longer have a clear identity. What defines an American? Our time of open borders, and everyone can be on our team needs to stop. We cannot give aid to everyone, we cannot accomodate everyone. This has worked fine in the past, but it is taking its toll on our nation. There needs to be laws to govern who can, and cannot enter our nation, and benefit from our society. I realize that in the past our population was a strength, but that was when factories required thousands of workers, and jobs were abound, this time has passed, and we have to be smart about how many, and who is a citizen of our nation. I do not think it is a bad thing to say, we are us, and you are them, we do our thing, and you can do your own.
Don't get me wrong, i offer no plan or idea how to do this, but i know that it must be done.
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ichibankilla;287067 wrote:
*Only in America would the people be so dumb that they would elect a man with "Hussein" for a middle name after being at war in the middle east because of a tyrant whose last name is "Hussein".- I'm almost ashamed to call my self an American, but I'll stick to my guns and hopefully ride this wave of shit out to what I hope is a good ending.
ichibankilla;287139 wrote:
I should have worded my post better. I just thought the name issue was kind of ironic because elections, not necessarily presidential, have been won and lost in the past based on a candidates name. I was simply making an observation.No, you were clearly making a statement that you feel the American people are idiots for voting the way they did because of a "middle name" and that you clearly don't want to associate yourself with them because of that.
Then you tried for political cover by saying you meant something else.
Not buying it. Sorry.
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