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SPANISH-RICE;293421 wrote:
i just dont understand what is so difficult and impressive about nascar?eh, i hate nascar about as much as any "real" race car fan. but it is kinda like top fuel of drag racing. It is easy in a fwd civic running 14's but when your bump drafting at 200 mph going 4 wide in the turns i would be shitting my pants.
Still would rather watch wrc, touring cars. Hell even mazda challenge or w/e it's called (maxda6, rx8,mx3, etc..) racing around is more enjoyable then nascar 99% of the time.
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I totally agree I don't enjoy watching it at all, but its not hard to see the challenge. As far as the money goes, yes F1 drivers make a lot of money as well but in a much more limited capacity, do you think they get to choose their endorsements?
> Mitch Hedberg wrote:
> I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just going to find out where they are going and hook up with them later.ASE certified parts specialist.
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Yes montoya, i watched him come up through the ranks. I was a big fan of his, as far as natural talent goes he was as about as good as it gets. I'm not a nascar fan. Just to boring, 4 hours of watching guys smash into each other, NOW THATS GOOD DRIVING! I suppose those cars are tough to drive, to heavy, tires are too small, too much power and no downforce, like driving a shopping cart, it is just a matter of time until they all crash. Oh yeah aren't they all drunk too?
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naturalbornkeller;293528 wrote:
Yes montoya, i watched him come up through the ranks. I was a big fan of his, as far as natural talent goes he was as about as good as it gets. I'm not a nascar fan. Just to boring, 4 hours of watching guys smash into each other, NOW THATS GOOD DRIVING! I suppose those cars are tough to drive, to heavy, tires are too small, too much power and no downforce, like driving a shopping cart, it is just a matter of time until they all crash. Oh yeah aren't they all drunk too?Possibly the best quote I've ever heard from you Scott, just because a car is hard to drive doesn't mean that it is a better car or that the guy driving it is a better driver.
I'd be interested in seeing how fast an F1 car can do a lap on a NASCAR course and then how fast a NASCAR can do a lap on an F1 course.
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Trafik Jamz;293531 wrote:
Possibly the best quote I've ever heard from you Scott, just because a car is hard to drive doesn't mean that it is a better car or that the guy driving it is a better driver.I'd be interested in seeing how fast an F1 car can do a lap on a NASCAR course and then how fast a NASCAR can do a lap on an F1 course.
I'm going to assume your just interested in finding out what would happen, But it comes off as Eurofag logic.
For a car with a straight axle, huge engine, "real" transmission, etc... The nascars handle pretty good. but the aero work and handling on the f1 is unmatchable.
there just isn't a way to compair the two.
But i would like to see the speeds of the nascar vs the F1 on the super speedways, i would like to think the nascar could keep up. but i don't think it would be remountly as safe as the F1 at those speeds.
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No, I am a eurofag. I'm pretty sure I know exactly what would happen if you put either car on each others course.
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Isn't it USGP? The F1 trade mark belongs to Big Bernie, just like Brawn GP. None the less it will be interesting to see how they do. Any mention on who is driving for them? I don't expect american drivers yet. There should be more preseason testing, right now they only get about a month. Half the field will be running cosworth engines.
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Remember when Gil de Ferran posted a Q time of almost 242 at texas in 01 or 02. All the drivers were complaining about being dizzy and disoriented, sustained G-loads of 5+, then they canceled the race. They got to the point where it was too fast. His Honda V8 was putting out over 1000hp. Just think what it would be like if they didn't ban ground effects in F1.
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naturalbornkeller;293560 wrote:
Isn't it USGP? The F1 trade mark belongs to Big Bernie, just like Brawn GP. None the less it will be interesting to see how they do. Any mention on who is driving for them? I don't expect american drivers yet. There should be more preseason testing, right now they only get about a month. Half the field will be running cosworth engines.i heard there going to be 2 americans and 1 experienced ex-f1 driver to help with testing and shake down the car.
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Comparing a Nascar and a F1 car on the same track is like comparing a Top fueler and a street-based bracket car. They all have 4 wheels but thats where the similarities end. Whats the point?
F1 cars are the pinacle of design, almost completely an engineering exercise, a frankenstein of a car. Nascar intentionally keeps the cars so that they "look" like a car.
I enjoy watching most all types of racing, but if I had to rank them, F1 would not be on the top of my list. I would take watching rally car racing, motorcycle roadracing, moto-x, and drag racing any day. But thats just me. :drunken_smilie:
DaveH
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SPANISH-RICE;293421 wrote:
i just dont understand what is so difficult and impressive about nascar?cause its so easy to follow... hicks have very simple minds get confused easy??
1999 civic ex - 472whp 19psi e85
2000 civic SiR - jdm sickness
1988 chevy s10 blazer - lowrider
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NASCAR drivers are the true kings of drift. Those guys slide through most corners at over 170mph. I like watching just because of the sheer talent that those guys have. It's obviously difficult, took Montoya a while to get used to it.
Back onto topic though, it is really nice to see the good old United States of America get into the ring of what I consider the "ultimate" racing class, F1. I think it would be probably the coolest thing since the Mute button if American auto maker engines got into F1. Problem is that no American auto makers have the cash on hand to put into creating an F1 engine. I know the last time they switched from V10 to V8 engines in F1, the teams spent about a billion dollars combined designing the new engines. Expensive sport...That's also going to be a big hurdle for a US team, keeping the funding intact..
Now, we just need to get F1 on one of the major networks on a consistent basis. Hopefully that'll happen if our US team gets off to a good start. Could bring F1 more into the mainstream of the US.
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Saying that driving a heavier car with smaller tires, less aero, and nearly as much power, is not as challenging is total bullshit.
> Mitch Hedberg wrote:
> I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just going to find out where they are going and hook up with them later.ASE certified parts specialist.
2004 Impala LS 3.8 -
capitlj;293691 wrote:
Saying that driving a heavier car with smaller tires, less aero, and nearly as much power, is not as challenging is total bullshit.No one said it wasn't challenging....in many ways it is more about being able to compensate for the shortfalls rather than actually racing however.
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I don't know if I'd call the rules "shortfalls". :bom:
Nascar builders have rules they have to stay within, F1 builders have rules they have to stay within, WRC builders have rules they have to stay within, etc. Rules are typically made to make racing competitive, fun for the fans to watch, and to some degree affordable for the competitors. Not everyone wants to watch open wheel racing, and not everyone wants to watch door cars racing. Ah, the joy of diversity. lol
Trafik Jamz;293693 wrote:
No one said it wasn't challenging....in many ways it is more about being able to compensate for the shortfalls rather than actually racing however.DaveH
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DaveH;293701 wrote:
Not everyone wants to watch open wheel racingI don't know how to say this Dave....but....
You're <u>WRONG!</u> And so is anyone who agrees with you!!!
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Maybe nascar would be better to watch if they had shorter races. They all just drive around for the first 1000 laps then start to race with 50 to go. The races are more about waiting for someone to crash to keep you from falling asleep while watching. And way too many cautions. I know safety is important but come on. And i get sick of hearing whats wrong with dale jr. Oh no dale jr. Heres whats wrong with dale jr. nothing. he is just not that good, pretty average really. Not a terrible driver, but not a champion. AVERAGE!
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