Violent woman beater trashed 2 of my vehicals.
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5.3 vs .5-1
yea, its a little more aggressive then the garbage you buy at walmart....
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call the police and express a concern about it.. that way when you shoot him 6-9 weeks from now there is not question as to why.
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have your wife start carrying ASAP. Her safety vs. some stupid ass 2A infringing ND state law == easy decision IMO.
If she doesn't do anything obnoxious nobody is going to find out about it anyway.
The ND PMC test is trivial, but getting the prints, mailing shit to the right people, and then waiting on ND BCI to get back to you will take too long.
Also, in ND the PMC is a lame-ass permit anyway: the letter of the law says you basically cannot carry anywhere the sherriff decides you can't ["any public gathering place"]. Legally she'd have been disallowed from carrying inside of the store. What's she going to do, leave the gun in the car and then get attacked in the parking lot? Fuck that, carry in the store and be discreet.
Get her a gun she can keep on her at all times, have her train with it, make sure she understands mental conditions white through black, and *then *start on the PMC class/paperwork.
A jury can always choose to acquit you of a firearms charge. A jury can never give you your life or your face back.
Be sure to think over what condition you want to have her carry in and if it will be a purse or a worn gun. Think through what it will take to ready the weapon, for instance, if it is a glock without a round chambered, and its a purse gun, what are her hands doing to open the purse, find gun, draw, drop purse, rack, and aim? That's a lot of motion that requires both hands to do the right thing at the right time. But carrying a glock with a round chambered [to avoid 2 handed operation of the gun] is fucked up unless you have a proper holster for it; i'd never put one in a woman's purse as a loose item.
IMO, First you need to figure out how she's going to carry, and then from there pick the firearm
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62.1-02-05. Possession of a firearm at a public gathering - Penalty - Application.
- A person who possesses a firearm at a public gathering is guilty of a class B misdemeanor. For the purpose of this section, "public gathering" includes athletic or sporting events, schools or school functions, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, musical concerts, and individuals in publicly owned parks where hunting is not allowed by proclamation and publicly owned or operated buildings. The term "public gathering" does not apply to a state or federal park.
- This section does not apply to law enforcement officers; members of the armed forces of the United States or national guard, organized reserves, state defense forces, or state guard organizations, when on duty; competitors participating in organized sport shooting events; gun and antique shows; participants using blank cartridge firearms at sporting or theatrical events;
any firearms carried in a temporary residence or motor vehicle; students and instructors at hunter safety classes; or private security personnel while on duty. In addition, a municipal court judge licensed to practice law in this state, a district court judge, a staff member of the Office of Attorney General, and a retired North Dakota law enforcement officer are exempt from the prohibition and penalty in subsection 1 if the individual is otherwise licensed to carry a firearm under section 62.1-04-03 and maintains the same level of firearms proficiency as is required by the peace officer standards and training board for law enforcement officers. A local law enforcement agency shall issue a certificate of compliance under this section to an individual who is proficient. - This section does not prevent any political subdivision from enacting an ordinance which is less restrictive than this section relating to the possession of firearms at a public gathering. Such an ordinance supersedes this section within the jurisdiction of the political subdivision.
62.1-04-03. License to carry a firearm or dangerous weapon concealed.
3. The director of the bureau of criminal investigation shall issue a license to carry a firearm or dangerous weapon concealed upon review of an application submitted to the director by a resident or nonresident of the United States if the following criteria are met:
a. The applicant is at least twenty-one years of age for a class 1 license or at least eighteen years of age for a class 2 license.
b. The applicant has a good and valid reason for carrying a firearm or dangerous weapon concealed, including self-protection, protection of others, or work-related needs.
c. The applicant is not a person specified in section 62.1-02-01.
d. The applicant has the written approval for the issuance of a license from the sheriff of the applicant's county of residence, and, if the city has one, the chief of police or a designee of the city in which the applicant resides. The approval by the sheriff may not be given until the applicant has successfully completed a background investigation in that county and has successfully completed the testing procedure conducted by a
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certified firearm or dangerous weapon instructor. The attorney general may certify a firearm or dangerous weapon instructor based upon criteria and guidelines prescribed by the director of the bureau of criminal investigation.
e. The applicant satisfactorily completes the bureau of criminal investigation application form and has successfully passed a background investigation or criminal records check conducted by that agency. To pass a background investigation, an application shall provide all documentation relating to any court-ordered treatment or commitment for mental health or alcohol or substance abuse or incidents of domestic violence. The applicant shall provide the director of the bureau of criminal investigation written authorizations for disclosure of the applicant’s mental health and alcohol or substance abuse evaluation and treatment records.
f. The applicant is not prohibited under federal law from owning, possessing, or having a firearm under that person's control.Probably would require an email if you want clarification Thrash, but it's perfectly legal to carry at West Acres if you have the ND permit.
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The attorney that taught my class said that the ND law is vague enough that whether or not you land in hot water depends on the cops in question. Note that the above segment says "includes" but doesn't say that is the complete list of things that might be public gathering areas.
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in that case she needs the MN permit when at work. The guy that I did the class from, Paul Horvick, does ND, MN, UT, and just about everywhere else. MN one requires a practical exam [live firing], which you can do at Paul's place.
The letter of the law in MN is actually less restrictive than in ND. She should be fine carrying at work. If the business has a no guns sign there are even rules regarding its size and position that have to be met before she has to follow them.
http://shootingsafely.com/2201.html
Talk to that guy about your situation and needs.
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MN is covered by UT as well. I'd recommend ND/UT as your best bet for permit combination.
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Also, I can't remember which state it is, but I know one has an "emergency" permit you can get for situations like this...if you can show proof that you need it urgently they'll issue one prior to a full background check (quick check must be passed) and then you are "legal" to carry up until being accepted/revoked for the full one.
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Just for conversational purposes, I would also have a real deep talk about the fact that YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SHOOT THE GUN. Pulling a gun is one thing, pulling the trigger is another. Make sure she understands that IF she shoots, it better be fatal... To many court rulings rule in the favor of a victim. Dead people don't testify.
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FG2;295014 wrote:
Just for conversational purposes, I would also have a real deep talk about the fact that YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SHOOT THE GUN. Pulling a gun is one thing, pulling the trigger is another. Make sure she understands that IF she shoots, it better be fatal... To many court rulings rule in the favor of a victim. Dead people don't testify.X2
Any concealed carry instructor will teach you this, do not pull out the gun AT ALL unless you intend on killing the person(s). Pulling a gun to intimidate or thwart an attack without intending to shoot can result in even heftier court fees than the ones you'd already be burdened with when it comes to killing someone.
What we were told was, if EVERYTHING is in your favor, including the law, your cost AT BEST will be a tremendous emotional burden and people will look at you differently.
Generally, you might be prosecuted (even if you did everything by the book completely legal) and it'll run you another $10,000+ in court fees on top of the emotional burden.
If you did ANYTHING wrong or even slightly "gray" in regards to legality, you're screwed.
-Never use reloads, always use factory ammo in a concealed carry weapon.
-Hollow Points generally will be used by a "skilled" prosecutor to say that you are trying to be johnny rambo and just tear up the town with your gunslinger skills and that hollow points are cop killers.
-FMJ will over penetrate sometimes and injure or endanger others lives.
IE. You're screwed if you ever have to pull that trigger regardless of what the circumstances are and it ends up in court.
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A public gathering place is different than a public gathering. So yes, West Acres is good to go. Think of it this way: what good is a concealed carry permit if you can't carry your weapon anywhere?
-Eric
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