U.S. Debtclock Update
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zbrown;295586 wrote:
Yeah Chuck.... why doesn't the graph go through till 2010??could it be because the graph doesnt go that high?
I suppose it could be, I did state that I thought spending was out of control, but I guess when you lean too far one way or another (left or right) it is hard to read all the words on a monitor so it is easier to take a pop shot at the big pink graph in the middle with a smart ass comment that really doesn't even make sense.
Why doesn't it make sense? Because it is based on historical data, not forward guesstimation. My guess is that the data gets compiled at the end of the year by places like the CBO and others and new data hasn't been compiled/sorted yet. I'm purely guessing, I really don't know how it is compiled and added to the list.
Also, the graph only goes to 2007, so maybe it went off the chart in 2008 already or maybe the last year GWB was in office he lowered it so much that it didn't even register and we had surpluses galore and it's a left wing media conspiracy to put that out there so that when they finally get Obama's numbers he will look like the uber Savior of the economy.... /sarcasm
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Trafik Jamz;295624 wrote:
I suppose it could be, I did state that I thought spending was out of control, but I guess when you lean too far one way or another (left or right) it is hard to read all the words on a monitor so it is easier to take a pop shot at the big pink graph in the middle with a smart ass comment that really doesn't even make sense.Why doesn't it make sense? Because it is based on historical data, not forward guesstimation. My guess is that the data gets compiled at the end of the year by places like the CBO and others and new data hasn't been compiled/sorted yet. I'm purely guessing, I really don't know how it is compiled and added to the list.
Also, the graph only goes to 2007, so maybe it went off the chart in 2008 already or maybe the last year GWB was in office he lowered it so much that it didn't even register and we had surpluses galore and it's a left wing media conspiracy to put that out there so that when they finally get Obama's numbers he will look like the uber Savior of the economy.... /sarcasm
Yep i know nothing.... wish i could be a big enough deal to post rambling paragraphs and cite wikipedia 90% of the time
hopefully someday i can
find it funny how everyone wants to look back to blame rather than look forward to fix.... just like Obama's speech today.... loved it
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I've said plenty of blame goes to all sides. Maybe instead of everyone bitching about who is right or wrong we can do what I said back in post #13 of this thread. Or did you not read that either. That was one of my short posts.
BTW, sorry for citing Wikipedia. I googled debtclock accuracy just to verify if what I was reading/seeing was 100% accurate or an estimation...in the process I read a few different articles including the one at Wikipedia. I don't see how posting that is in any way a bad thing. It shows it from another perspective and cites it's sources of data. Sorry that I didn't put all that information together myself and instead used some other individuals compiled information. If it is false information, please let me know where it is wrong and I will pull my thread.
As for the rambling paragraphs, well, I guess my vocabulary is strong enough to where I feel that I can write more than 15 words without falling all over myself. Also, I tend to write why I feel how I do about a subject to give others an insight into what my thoughts are rather than just saying "That is cool" or "this sucks". I try and give it substance. Sorry for caring, I'll try and use less and smaller words going forward.
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Trafik Jamz;295632 wrote:
As for the rambling paragraphs, well, I guess my vocabulary is strong enough to where I feel that I can write more than 15 words without falling all over myself. Also, I tend to write why I feel how I do about a subject to give others an insight into **what my thoughts are **rather than just saying "That is cool" or "this sucks". I try and give it substance. Sorry for caring, I'll try and use less and smaller words going forward.zbrown;295639 wrote:
spoken like a true liberal....feeling instead of thinking
Spoken like a true Republican, taking everything out of context.
Or aren't thoughts and thinking the same thing?
Lets see what the dictionary has to say, I hope no one minds that I am using a standard definition and not my exact words:
Thought (th么t)*v.*Past tense and past participle of think
*n.***1. ** The act or process of thinking; cogitation.
**2. ** A product of thinking.**3. ** The faculty of thinking or reasoning.
**4. ** The intellectual activity or production of a particular time or group: ancient Greek thought; deconstructionist thought.
**5. ** Consideration; attention: didn't give much thought to what she said.
**6. ****a. ** Intention; purpose: There was no thought of coming home early.
**b. ** Expectation or conception: *She had no thought that anything was wrong.and then again with the word think
*think (th
ngk)v. thought (th么t), think路ing, thinks
*v.**tr.***1. ** To have or formulate in the mind.
**2. ****a. ** To reason about or reflect on; ponder: Think how complex language is. Think the matter through.
**b. ** To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering: thinking what to do.3. ** To judge or regard; look upon: I think it only fair.
**4. ** To believe; suppose: always thought he was right.
**5. ****a. ** To expect; hope: They thought she'd arrive early.
**b. ** To intend: They thought they'd take their time.6. ** To call to mind; remember: I can't think what her name was.
**7. ** To visualize; imagine: Think what a scene it will be at the reunion.
**8. ** To devise or evolve; invent: thought up a plan to get rich quick.
**9. ** To bring into a given condition by mental preoccupation: He thought himself into a panic over the impending examination.
10. ** To concentrate one's thoughts on: "Think languor" (Diana Vreeland).*v.**intr.***1. ** To exercise the power of reason, as by conceiving ideas, drawing inferences, and using judgment.
**2. ** To weigh or consider an idea: They are thinking about moving.
**3. ****a. ** To bring a thought to mind by imagination or invention: No one before had thought of bifocal glasses.
b. ** To recall a thought or an image to mind: She thought of her childhood when she saw the movie.**4. ** To believe; suppose: He thinks of himself as a wit. It's later than you think.
**5. ** To have care or consideration: Think first of the ones you love.
**6. ** To dispose the mind in a given way: Do you think so?adj. Informal Requiring much thought to create or assimilate: a think book.
n. The act or an instance of deliberate or extended thinking; a meditation.
***Idioms: *** come to think of it Informal When one considers the matter; on reflection: Come to think of it, that road back there was the one we were supposed to take.
think *** aloud/out loud*** To speak one's thoughts audibly.
think better of To change one's mind about; reconsider.
think big To plan ambitiously or on a grand scale.
think little of To regard as inferior; have a poor opinion of.
think nothing of To give little consideration to; regard as routine or usual: thought nothing of a 50-mile trip every day.
think twice To weigh something carefully: I'd think twice before spending all that money on clothes.
Which words thus far have not been my own? And better yet, where have I been disagreeing with you on the topic of out of control spending? I agreed, and I then went on to show you why some like to blame Bush for some poor fiscal policies via a graph. Are you really that butt hurt that the graph went back to the Reagan Era to show where spending started going fucking apeshit?
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Trafik Jamz;295643 wrote:
Spoken like a true Republican, taking everything out of context.Or aren't thoughts and thinking the same thing?
Lets see what the dictionary has to say, I hope no one minds that I am using a standard definition and not my exact words:
Thought (th么t)*v.*Past tense and past participle of think
*n.***1. ** The act or process of thinking; cogitation.
**2. ** A product of thinking.**3. ** The faculty of thinking or reasoning.
**4. ** The intellectual activity or production of a particular time or group: ancient Greek thought; deconstructionist thought.
**5. ** Consideration; attention: didn't give much thought to what she said.
**6. ****a. ** Intention; purpose: There was no thought of coming home early.
**b. ** Expectation or conception: *She had no thought that anything was wrong.*and then again with the word thinkthink (th
ngk)v. thought (th么t), think路ing, thinks
*v.**tr.***1. ** To have or formulate in the mind.
**2. ****a. ** To reason about or reflect on; ponder: Think how complex language is. Think the matter through.
**b. ** To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering: thinking what to do.3. ** To judge or regard; look upon: I think it only fair.
**4. ** To believe; suppose: always thought he was right.
**5. ****a. ** To expect; hope: They thought she'd arrive early.
**b. ** To intend: They thought they'd take their time.6. ** To call to mind; remember: I can't think what her name was.
**7. ** To visualize; imagine: Think what a scene it will be at the reunion.
**8. ** To devise or evolve; invent: thought up a plan to get rich quick.
**9. ** To bring into a given condition by mental preoccupation: He thought himself into a panic over the impending examination.
10. ** To concentrate one's thoughts on: "Think languor" (Diana Vreeland).*v.**intr.***1. ** To exercise the power of reason, as by conceiving ideas, drawing inferences, and using judgment.
**2. ** To weigh or consider an idea: They are thinking about moving.
**3. ****a. ** To bring a thought to mind by imagination or invention: No one before had thought of bifocal glasses.
b. ** To recall a thought or an image to mind: She thought of her childhood when she saw the movie.**4. ** To believe; suppose: He thinks of himself as a wit. It's later than you think.
**5. ** To have care or consideration: Think first of the ones you love.
**6. ** To dispose the mind in a given way: Do you think so?adj. Informal Requiring much thought to create or assimilate: a think book.
n. The act or an instance of deliberate or extended thinking; a meditation.
***Idioms: *** come to think of it Informal When one considers the matter; on reflection: Come to think of it, that road back there was the one we were supposed to take.
think *** aloud/out loud*** To speak one's thoughts audibly.
think better of To change one's mind about; reconsider.
think big To plan ambitiously or on a grand scale.
think little of To regard as inferior; have a poor opinion of.
think nothing of To give little consideration to; regard as routine or usual: thought nothing of a 50-mile trip every day.
think twice To weigh something carefully: I'd think twice before spending all that money on clothes.
Which words thus far have not been my own? And better yet, where have I been disagreeing with you on the topic of out of control spending? I agreed, and I then went on to show you why some like to blame Bush for some poor fiscal policies via a graph. Are you really that butt hurt that the graph went back to the Reagan Era to show where spending started going fucking apeshit?
tisk tisk...
there you go again.... 80% not your words again...
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Grr;295641 wrote:
I would have to agree with zbrown on that one. I dont give a shit about anyones feelings.only until they differ from your own then strap in... yall draw your concealed weapons and raise the jesus flag on our weak hippie asses. THINK it through, republicans, the party fucked up so hard america voted in this radial socialst.
no matter how you slice it, that means they fucked up pretty bad.
maybe after this we can compromise on someone who will do whats best for the country and not a single agenda
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zbrown;295644 wrote:
tisk tisk...there you go again.... 80% not your words again...
Seriously Zac. Fuck you.
There...all my own words.
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I'm sorry for using facts, from now on, I'll just do like the republican party does and make up shit as I go along and swear to god it is gospel without ever putting any effort into seeing if the shit is real or not.
To be fair the Left makes shit up as they go too....its not all roses on either side
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the argument of liberals feeling and not thinking is completely foreign to me. where did this originate?
also, calling chuck a true liberal speaks volumes to your fucked up logic.
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zbrown;295651 wrote:
lol, seeshort, elegant, and to the point...
Thanks, that shall be my official stance on everything political now.
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Fuck you Zac
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(just wanted to make sure I still had it in me)
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24valvenotak;295652 wrote:
the argument of liberals feeling and not thinking is completely foreign to me. where did this originate?i don't think it started until "liberals" lost its orignal meaning of people who rolled phat D's with Adam Smith and the Wealth of Nations... and came to mean progressive democrats in the 1900s.
But yes, once you're talking about democrats in the 1900s at the federal level, by and large nothing they have done demonstrates any grasp on reality whatsoever regarding the economy. To be fair, a notable exception was the Clinton administration, although it is widely postulated that the savings cuts he made came at the expense of hurting America's armed forces quite badly. In any case, I see one of three possibilities regarding "liberals" and "thinking":
- they do not think
- they do think, know what their policies mean, and are committed to the destruction of America's economy so that they can usher in the socialist/statist dystopia that the voters haven't completely given them yet
- they think, but in a sort of Orweillian doublethink where they manage the cognitive dissonance required to beleive completely contradictory things and switch between the two as it suits their purpose
Obama today said that he would spend his way out of our recession. Is that what a thinking man says? If so, what is he thinking?
As far as feeling vs. thinking... I couldn't say. I see no evidence that progressives "feel" much of anything except utter contempt for humanity and value, and utter lust over absolute power for themselves. These people are either corrupt through and through, or are willing and useful tools of those who are corrupt through and through.
The shame of it all is that the republicans have tried to position themselves as the watered down progressives. This will always result in failure... if two parties are attepmting to say they beleive in the same things, the party with the clearer, stronger message will win. The republicans need to give up on this compassionate conservatism horeshit and just devastate the federal governement and cut spending by 80% or more, and i don't even care where they do it -- military, social security, helping old people cross the street -- it doesn't matter.
If a political party with some thinking adults willing to make some hard spending cuts doesn't quickly emerge and take control, the US will fall apart within our lifetime. Perhaps quite soon.
How soon can a country fall apart? Consider East Germany. The government of east germany controlled
- all media
- all employment
- all housing
- where you could go
- what you could do
Even so, east Germany fell apart as a nation in 9 days. When the prevailing propoganda of a society becomes too divergent from the reality in that society, it is ripe for revolution and radical change.
If anyone wants any say in how that change happens, they had better work on doing it inside the current system before it falls apart.
Instead, people in this thread, and in America at large, pretend everything is the other 49% of the peoples fault. If that's the case, why don't we just get it over with and split into two nations? Divorce is the #1 industry in America, why not just do it at the national level?
[Well, one reason is that last time someone tried it, it caused a pretty bloody war that wrecked all of America for decades...but my contention is that that is coming anyway.]
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There were a lot of words there thrash.... Zac didn't read it.
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