Apt building fire in S. Fargo

[PSiedTSi]

thrash;316422 wrote:
I agree it's tacky and heartless, but this isn't a popularity contest, it's real life. Should cable one spread that loss over all its customers? If so, are you signing up to have your bill go up?

It's not the fire victims fault their shit caught on fire. But it's certainly not cable ones fault (so they shouldn't be on the hook), and it's not your fault either (so you shouldn't be charged higher cable prices either).

The only moral solution is to assign the costs solely to the person who did not fulfill their contract: the fire victims. Everyone else did what they were supposed to do: it's unfair to penalize them.

It will, because Americans are more socialist than they care to admit. Spread the wealth, spread the poison. That's how most Americans think about things. But cableone is in the right to demand people uphold their end of a signed contract. Once contracts don't matter, the world falls apart.

Shut up thrash. Seriously. This has nothing to do with socialism. Go cry to your mom.

[ichibankilla]

So, Cable One is right by making tenants pay for DVR's that got destroyed in a fire they had no control over, which basically is in the same sense as the cell phone companies that tried to make family members pay bills of loved ones that were killed in the 9-11 attack.
They did sign that contract you know, ALL HAIL THE CONTRACT. Apparently extenuating circumstances are not in some peoples, especially corporations and there nut swingers, vocabulary.

I don't know about any of you guys but when my house or apartment is on fire the first thing I grab is my CableOne DVR, things like family and irreplaceable personal items like pictures are second on my list of things to grab. I mean, I can always find another person to get into a relationship with and eventually have more kids that I can take photos of, right? Aint no way I'm paying $500 to replace a DVR box, that's why it's the first thing I grab in an emergency, the wife and kids have feet and legs, if they can't get out on there own then they deserve to burn. I signed that contract and that's all that really matters, if I didn't abide by what that contract said that would make me some kind of lying piece of shit asshole, wouldn't it?

[out there]

ichibankilla;316446 wrote:
ALL HAIL THE CONTRACTAre you giving cart blanc to break contracts? Should law enforcement and the military break their contracts with the government and start using all of their firepower to start taking whatever they want?

Apparently extenuating circumstances are not in some peoples, especially corporations and there nut swingers, vocabulary.Apparently, the word "responsibility" isn't in your vocabulary.

[thrash]

PSiedTSi;316445 wrote:
Shut up thrash. Seriously. This has nothing to do with socialism. Go cry to your mom.

I'm used to hearing that people don't like what I have to say. And as usual, they don't refute it, they just don't like it.

This has everything to do with socialism: which is the idea that whatever most people think is best for most people goes. Cableone is just some shitty company everyone hates. What right do they have to have their contracts enforced and their property rights protected? None, according to you. Apparently, people that didn't bother to get renters insurance had something horrible happen to them, and now they are absolved of all responsibility?

That's not the rule of law. That's the rule of some men over other men.

Why don't you donate $99 DVRs to all of these fire victims? That way you can put your compassion where your internet tough guy mouth is.

[thrash]

ichibankilla;316446 wrote:
I don't know about any of you guys but when my house or apartment is on fire the first thing I grab is my CableOne DVR

Well, no. I leave that and all of the other easy to replace things in the house. And then I let my insurance company pay to replace them.

if I didn't abide by what that contract said that would make me some kind of lying piece of shit asshole, wouldn't it?

Bingo.

Cableone should refuse to re-sell cable to all of these people who are categorically refusing to live up to the terms they signed up for, beause these folks have already demonstrated that their signature on a contract doesn't mean a fucking thing.

[ichibankilla]

The problem is context. I can see having to replace it if, in fact, it was destroyed by your own doing(dropping it, trying to hack it, your kid dumping juice all over it, etc.) but in this case the tenants had no control over what happened, IE the apartment catching fire.
This is what would be considered an extenuating circumstance. These people didn't purposely destroy there DVR's, to reiterate, it was a damn fire, something unforeseen, therefore the whole responsibility issue is null and void.
Example, it would be like you buying a car then the next year you decide to sell it but it isn't paid off yet, you find a buyer and do all the appropriate paperwork, BUT, you still have to make payments on it because you signed the original contract. Sounds pretty shitty doesn't it? What I'm trying to say is, is businesses and people sign and change contracts all the time to meet certain needs or criteria, like refinancing a loan.
Another issue, so what if they didn't have renters insurance, yes it sucks, but that doesn't make them less of a person as you, as some of you seem to be acting like they are. That pedestal you put yourself on has a weak foundation that no insurance in the world will help you rebuild, just saying. Karma's a bitch.

[thrash]

The issue isn't of fault -- it's of responsibility.

The tenants were **responsible **for the property that had been loaned to them. They signed a statement saying they agreed. Normally when a contract has extenuating circumstance outs, it says so.

I think that how you keep your word to other people is a measure of a person. It's easy to stand by what you claim to beleive when the goin is easy.

Apparently, some of the fire victims, and you, and some others here, beleive that "rough circumstances" absolve a person from keeping their word.

Not having renters insurance has nothing to do with what kind of a person they are.

What might make them less of a person than my ideal man is that when they sign a peice of paper saying "i'll do this", what they really mean is "unless something bad happens to me"

Your examples regarding changing a contract or refinancing a house make no sense at all. In the case of refinancing a house or paying off a car loan, THE DEBT IS PAID OFF!. You do a new deal and that frees up the funds to close the old deal! When 2 parties renogiate a contract, its bilateral -- both parties agree to the new terms, and otherwise the old terms are binding.

I think it would be good for cableone to try and work with these people to make everyone whole, but they are under no obligation to do so.

I will make one condemnation/judgement in this post: Anyone who suggests that cableone should just "suck it up", and has no rights/recourse in this situation either hasn't thought about it hard enough, or is really just a shitty person. Say who you are now, so I know never to do business with you.

[Joel]

brandon, dont talk, you probably have atleast that laying aroun in your apartment. Do you have insurance on your stack in your closet? You probably have 20k in clothes and camera equiptment? I bet Joe gets a great "discount" on renting?

[dont got a ride]

SPANISH-RICE;316437 wrote:
wtf are you talking about? please point out the part where i said ALL of fargostreet is lazy?its pretty clear i was referring more to a specific sect of members, specifically ones that would rather spend money on baby blue spray paint than renters insurance and aren't responsible enough to have car loans in their own names. i.e. you

but any way this is interesting to hear what fargostreet has to think about what being responsible is. continue

Oh no, not a shot at my rims again. When will it end?!?!?!

And sorry I wasn't granted with totally awesome credit when I turned 18? Not sayin you were either. But I guess its dumb to get someone with almost perfect credit to cosign on a loan rather then take one out myself and spend a bunch more. And who says I don't have renters insurance?

[darkelvis]

I am awesome

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[Eurofan]

fuckin phaggets livin in appartments like friggin douche bags...

Broskis, just live at home with your parents like me. :icon_brilsmurf:

[Eurofan]

Eurofan;316460 wrote:
fuckin phaggets livin in appartments like friggin douche bags...

Broskis, just live at home with your parents like me. :icon_brilsmurf:

^joke

[dont got a ride]

^ not likely

[SPANISH-RICE]

joel;316453 wrote:
brandon, dont talk, you probably have atleast that laying aroun in your apartment. Do you have insurance on your stack in your closet? You probably have 20k in clothes and camera equiptment? I bet joe gets a great "discount" on renting?

i do have alot of money in stuff laying around my apartment, but i also have renters insurance and am very familiar with my policy and what it covers and what i need to do to get paid back.

The stack of money was short lived thing that i let sit around to long and that would have been my fault if it all burned up. I just started putting a little away once and next thing i knew there was alot more than i was comfortable with sitting in there. Yea it would have sucked to lose a couple grand in cash but it was only in there for maybe a few months and has been deposited now for quite a while.

But at the same time i realize that would have been my fault for letting cash burn up and i would not have been crying about it to everyone else to help pay me back or give me free shit becuase i was being reckless.

[SPANISH-RICE]

dont got a ride;316456 wrote:
oh no, not a shot at my rims again. When will it end?!?!?!

And sorry i wasn't granted with totally awesome credit when i turned 18? Not sayin you were either. But i guess its dumb to get someone with almost perfect credit to cosign on a loan rather then take one out myself and spend a bunch more. And who says i don't have renters insurance?

it will end when you stop trying to "call me out" on some seriously pointless shit. You make no sense in your wicked sick disses. Your flat billed hat "bro" mantality really shines through on here. You may not have had good credit or even any credit when you were 18. Cool, alot of people dont. But guess how you get good credit?

[RidinRails]

SPANISH-RICE;316503 wrote:
it will end when you stop trying to "call me out" on some seriously pointless shit. You make no sense in your wicked sick disses. Your flat billed hat "bro" mantality really shines through on here. You may not have had good credit or even any credit when you were 18. Cool, alot of people dont. But guess how you get good credit?

I'm no banker, but i'd have to agree with "dontgotaride" on this one....it makes alot more sense to have a co-signer on what seems like his first car loan, than to get a loan by himself, and probably lower his interest rate by 5%+....AND it will still help him get good credit.

[SPANISH-RICE]

ridinrails;316506 wrote:
i'm no banker, but i'd have to agree with "dontgotaride" on this one....it makes alot more sense to have a co-signer on what seems like his first car loan, than to get a loan by himself, and probably lower his interest rate by 5%+....and it will still help him get good credit.

now i wont disagree, but as far as i know ( and im not saying i couldnt be wrong) but his loan isnt in his name with a cosigner. Its his grandparents loan. That was why i said "guess how to get good credit". By having his name on it. Im making an assumption from what i had read in other threads but its not like he would admit that it wasnt in his name anyway.

I may be the first person in the history of the internet to admit that i dont know his situation. Nor do i care about it. If im wrong about it im wrong about it. The only reason i even made the comment is becuase he thinks he needs to prepetuate this childish bickering becuase hes still all ass jammed about everyone making fun of him in past threads.

[dont got a ride]

I could care less what you say about my rims lol. They aren't blue anymore I don't own the car anymore either. And my sorry you have to react so much at an innocent little fs stab. And sir, I can be a smartass with out being a flat brimmed hat wearing bro, bro.

[dont got a ride]

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[thrash]

can you guys take your lovers' quarrel to myspace or something?

i was hoping that this thread would get back to talking about why people shouldn't have to honor agreements they signed and why their word shouldn't mean anything, and ideally, to get a neat list of all those people and have it made into a sticky'd post.