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Point being after how many years now i still dont see why the track cant open up and put these events on by themselves. Promoting isn't the problem, getting the events to actually take place is.
I myself would have no problem sponsoring some of these events as well but after giving the track $$ for the sponsorship last year and the treatment and feedback i received back from it to say the least i wasn't impressed. Basically no one wanted to cooperate.
If i remember right we had the 1st street legal/sport compact event back in 00.
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Nick-
You know better than that. I don't think anyone worked closer or bent over backword sometimes with yourself or Jake on Autowerx & Straightlines dual sponsorship. No specifics need to be aired, even when things got "mucked" up most where kept abreast of the situation, even leading into the last "All Day" Event, I told Jake we could do about anything within reason to get his/your name out, and have vendor booths etc at the facility during the Event.
I myself would have no problem sponsoring some of these events as well but after giving the track $$ for the sponsorship last year and the treatment and feedback i received back from it to say the least i wasn't impressed. Basically no one wanted to cooperate.
Not once did you call me last year voicing any concerns, or when you saw me at the track voice them. Did I stop at your shop when each month I made calls to all the sponsors, no, but I always kept Jake abreast of anything we were doing.
Point being after how many years now i still dont see why the track cant open up and put these events on by themselves. Promoting isn't the problem, getting the events to actually take place is.
It is difficult to schedule "Special" Events or 10+ "SL" Only.
At one time all that were held were "Bracket Events". That is why last year we had 10 Bracket Sundays and 10 Bracket Saturdays, too many and the market gets saturated, too few and you cannot generate enough income to cover expenses. If the track has 10 SL Events, 100 cars show up at every event, or maybe 75 on the average, SL would lose money, and how would SL events the next season be able to be put on the schedule if as a business a profit can't be shown.As far as a SL in 2000, I know I was living here, and sorry, memory is the 2nd shortest thing I have, but I do not remember that, only Events starting in 2003.
Below is the cost involved in having an "ALL Day" SL event, as you can see, it takes 112.4 cars @ $30.00 to cover the expense. Without sponsors & Spectaters we would not generate the income needed to pay land tax, payments, facility improvements, etc. That is why SL in the past was "Piggy Backed" on regualar event weekends to decrease costs.
After all is said & done, nobody is going to get rich, and the track on some events has "Invested" in the SL participant coming back, as not alot of $$ was generated over & above expenses.
Again, Street Legal is Important, not so much for the $, yet that is very important to any business, but as much as that is important, so to is that a new generation of participant is coming into the sport.
My Phone/Email has never been a secret, if their is/was a problem, it doesn't take much to get ahold of me. But unfortunatly, when their is no communication problems seem to create themselves.
**Event Day Expense
Street Legal “All Day”INSURANCE- $1,755.00 (Single Day)
EMPLOYEES- $850.00 (Single Day)
TRACK PREP- $492.76 (1/2 barrel VHT + Gas & Alcohol)
PAYMENT- ?
TAXES- ?
NHRA FEE- ?
ADVERTISING- ?
TROPHIES- ?
HANDOUTS- ?
ARMBANDS-
SEPTIC- $455.76
ELECTRIC- $47.66 Pro Rated Per Event
BATHROOM- $89.76
GARBAGE PICK UP- $85.00
EMT-AMBULANCE $100.00
TOTAL--------------------------------------------------------------------
$3,372.52 **I know that every year since 2003, SL has grown, in # of participants, as well as the amount of hrs of track time that has been scheduled But..........
If you dream of a 5-10-20 Event "Street Legal" venue at Idrags... It is very easy...
Just overwhelm the facility during the events that are scheduled, make the "Bracket Events" look miserable compared to the "Street Legal" Events, that is a sure fire way for me at the beginning of the season to "look" where my customer base is and shedule the events accordingly that most benefit Idrags & it's Customer.
Derek Bakken
Track Manager
Offuce - 218-236-9461
Cell - 701-388-4208 <<<These all work<<<<<<<<
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The $$ isn't a concern of mine its just the facts of getting it done and getting things GUARNTEED. I even spoke w/ Jake about this again today when Ron called him back and GUARNTEED he would get that even Jake looked into made up. Well that never happened. We had a discussion after the Mayhem fell threw to get something setup and reshceduled as this would have been a huge event for IDR w/ participants from all over the midwest.
IMO if IDR cares as much as they claim they do about the street legal events and they future of this sport and its participants they would be hosting events of their own rather then depending on someone else to cover it and organize it. Hell i still haze a dozen trophies left from Mayhem last year we never ended up using. I was told hold on to them we'll make use of them.
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very well put Homer and thanks for breaking down the expenses for those of us who hadn't realized the overall costs associated w/ running the track. I suggest we do as he says, overwhelm the track w/ cars @ the all day events.
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Derek,
Here is what i wanna see and if i push this this is what i'd wanna lay out. 3 day event:
Friday night test and tune
Saturday bracket/heads up, whatever
Sunday Quick 10/16, whateverYou could even throw a car show, show-n-shione, whatever int here w/ it. I know a few guys who have ties in w/ local bands, have a concert @ night, have a BBQ, camping, etc... The best weekend i have ever had drag racing was @ TVR 2 years ago, those guys are a blast and their so laid back they know how to have a good time. I have a lot of ties w/ shops in the uppr midwest and i can say right now no one wants to travel 3-8 hours for a 1 day event. This could be the start of an annual thing for IDR to get their name out there to the Midwest. There isn't many tracks in our area so you guys right now are the ticket. If you guys needs the funding, the sponsors, the whatever, you know where to find me. Gladly help arrange/set this up. But i think IDR should be putting themselves out there as well as far as promoting some of these events. You guys are the ones who should be looking for the advertisment, exposure if you want to grow.
You always said come to you and you'll make it happen. Let me know what you think of the rough idea.
Nick
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what tony said
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We are sponsoring/participating/vendor in an event very similar to this end of May down in Sioux Falls. We are working out the final details this week. As soon as i have all the information for that particular event i will post up the details here. End of May keep your schedules open people!!
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He's referring to the idea about the camp out etc
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I would love to have a 3 day race like nick is saying,I would like to see ID redeem themselves after the Mayhem dealio......we should have something like this so all the guys from outa state could make it so there is a bunch of fast guys running and not only dsms from here oh yea and 1 supra 1 interga and a rwd probe
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I'm going to try and make it to sioux falls as well, and if IDR has a similar event you can bet your ass I'll be there too.
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Here is what i wanna see and if i push this this is what i'd wanna lay out. 3 day event:
Friday night test and tune
Saturday bracket/heads up, whatever
Sunday Quick 10/16, whateverYou could even throw a car show, show-n-shione, whatever int here w/ it. I know a few guys who have ties in w/ local bands, have a concert @ night, have a BBQ, camping, etc...
Nick-
Event being planned is similar, Holiday weekend, 2 day event (All Street Legal) with Sport Compact, Muscle Cars, & Hot Rods (kind of generations of hotrodding theme, then & now) and a "Booked" show (MWB or ALL American Funny Car Series)
Having a 3 day event may be difficult (Take daily expenses posted x 3, and increase Ins. costs, as once event has 2 cars going down the track, w/dial ins, ins goes up from "grudge" match style racing ins.....Don't ask me why, because it makes no sense to me, but must to the ins co.), A 2 day evnt w/ Camping, BBQ, Show n Shine, Car Show is not a problem, (Band/DJ is out, as per restrictions from Clay County as of now.)
Having a SL or Sport Compact weekend event w/ Q16, Brackets, Heads Up is also not a problem as long as participation/interest is there and in a heads up series enough cars /interest w/o so many rules, classes are small and competition is limited because of 1 or 2 really fast cars.
So, any ideas that would increase participation are very welcome.
You are right, Thunder Valley is a great place, tucked far enough out of the way, yet close enough to Sioux Falls. I used to travel there every "off" weekend in the late '90's (when I was still intimidated by BIR) and always enjoyed myself (except for the 280 mile drive)
The Rapp Family (Rapp Chevrolet) has owned the track for many years, with several different peaple leasing it. Hopefully they get it leased for 2005 and continue to offer Drag Racing for many more years. I remember when Tom Cain managed it when I first started, and Duane Boyce took over several years ago after alot of improvements were done. Hopefully they are able to get everything together for 2005.
Derek
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Now we're getting somewhere. Like I said before, it would be awesome to do an all weekend ordeal like nick suggested.
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