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Who do you REALLY side with?

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  • RexwagonR Offline
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    Rexwagon
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    I side the most with Rick Santorum on political issues for the 2012 Presidential Election.

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      Rick Santorum 80%
      I side the most with Rick Santorum on issues of Immigration, the Environment, and Healthcare. More info

      Buddy Roemer 74%
      I side the most with Buddy Roemer on issues of Domestic policy and Healthcare. More info

      Mitt Romney 67%
      I side the most with Mitt Romney on issues of Domestic policy and the Environment. More info

      Ron Paul 63%
      I side the most with Ron Paul on issues of Domestic policy, Immigration, and the Environment. More info

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      • JimJ Offline
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        Jim
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        Ron Paul
        I side the most with Ron Paul on issues of Domestic policy, the Economy, Immigration, and Foreign Policy. More info
        80%
        Gary Johnson
        I side the most with Gary Johnson on issues of Domestic policy, Foreign Policy, Healthcare, Social, and the Economy. More info
        79%
        Jimmy McMillan
        I side the most with Jimmy McMillan on issues of Immigration, the Economy, Healthcare, Domestic policy, and Foreign Policy. More info
        75%
        R. Lee Wrights
        I side the most with R. Lee Wrights on issues of Domestic policy, the Economy, and Foreign Policy. More info
        69%
        Barack Obama
        I side the most with Barack Obama on issues of the Environment and Science. More info
        64%
        Rick Santorum
        I side the most with Rick Santorum on issues of Immigration, Domestic policy, and the Economy. More info
        62%
        Kent Mesplay
        I side the most with Kent Mesplay on issues of Domestic policy and Science. More info
        61%
        Mitt Romney
        I side the most with Mitt Romney on issues of Domestic policy and Science. More info
        52%
        Buddy Roemer
        I side the most with Buddy Roemer on issues of Domestic policy. More info
        44%
        Newt Gingrich
        I side the most with Newt Gingrich on issues of Domestic policy. More info
        41%
        Fred Karger
        I side the most with Fred Karger on issues of Social. More info

        Who you side with by party...
        82%
        Libertarian
        69%
        Democratic
        62%
        Green
        48%
        Republican

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        • JimJ Offline
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          Jim
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          Sounds about right for me...

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          • GrrG Offline
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            Grr
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            90%
            Ron Paul
            I side the most with Ron Paul on issues of Foreign Policy, Domestic policy, the Economy, the Environment, and Social. More info

            85%
            R. Lee Wrights
            I side the most with R. Lee Wrights on issues of Foreign Policy, Domestic policy, the Economy, Social, Healthcare, and Science. More info

            82%
            Rick Santorum
            I side the most with Rick Santorum on issues of the Environment, Immigration, Domestic policy, Healthcare, and Social. More info

            75%
            Gary Johnson
            I side the most with Gary Johnson on issues of Foreign Policy, Domestic policy, Healthcare, the Economy, and Science. More info

            68%
            Mitt Romney
            I side the most with Mitt Romney on issues of the Environment and Healthcare. More info

            64%
            Newt Gingrich
            I side the most with Newt Gingrich on issues of the Environment, Healthcare, and Social. More info

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              Trafik Jamz
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              My chart probably indicates why I don't like most candidates or their parties.

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              • legacy-user-351L Offline
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                legacy-user-351
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                80% Rick Santorum
                I side the most with Rick Santorum on issues of the Economy, Domestic policy, Healthcare, and the Environment.

                77% Mitt Romney
                I side the most with Mitt Romney on issues of Domestic policy, Healthcare, and the Environment.

                73% Newt Gingrich
                I side the most with Newt Gingrich on issues of Domestic policy, Healthcare, and the Environment.

                64% Buddy Roemer
                I side the most with Buddy Roemer on issues of Domestic policy and Healthcare.

                61% Gary Johnson
                I side the most with Gary Johnson on issues of the Economy, Domestic policy, Healthcare, and Science.

                57% R. Lee Wrights
                I side the most with R. Lee Wrights on issues of Domestic policy and Science.

                56% Ron Paul
                I side the most with Ron Paul on issues of Domestic policy and the Environment.

                49% Barack Obama
                I side the most with Barack Obama on issues of Domestic policy.

                28% Fred Karger
                I side the most with Fred Karger on issues of Domestic policy.

                25% Jimmy McMillan
                I do not side with Jimmy McMillan on any major issues.

                18% Kent Mesplay
                I do not side with Kent Mesplay on any major issues.

                77% Republican
                58% Libertarian
                49% Democratic
                18% Green

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                  thrash
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                  The questoin about health insurers and birth control had no good answer, so i chose other:

                  "Health insurers can cover birth control if they want to. But the government should have no authority to compel an insurer to provide any product or service whatsoever. The government certainly shouldn't have the authority to compel an insurer to provide a particular product at a particular price"

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                  • DaveHD Offline
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                    DaveH
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                    Agree^^^

                    I don't know how the government thinks it should be able to tell an insurance company what they "have to" cover in their policies.

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                      DaveH;326598 wrote:
                      Agree^^^

                      I don't know how the government thinks it should be able to tell an insurance company what they "have to" cover in their policies.

                      I mean, if they want to attract certain "customers", they will offer the coverage. If not, people can go elsewhere, no?

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                        integra_gsr98
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                        ah the free market.... a beautiful thing.

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                          People seem to forget the meaning and intent of the word "insurance" when it comes to health. They use "health care" and "health insurance" interchangeably. You hear things like "we must make birth control available to everyone". It's available. Go buy it. With money. Being fertile is not some unexpected circumstance brought upon a woman by accident or misfortune...

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                            PSiedTSi;326600 wrote:
                            I mean, if they want to attract certain "customers", they will offer the coverage. If not, people can go elsewhere, no?

                            I would sure think so, it seems pretty simple to me.

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                              [email protected];326602 wrote:
                              People seem to forget the meaning and intent of the word "insurance" when it comes to health. They use "health care" and "health insurance" interchangeably. You hear things like "we must make birth control available to everyone". It's available. Go buy it. With money. Being fertile is not some unexpected circumstance brought upon a woman by accident or misfortune...

                              Nowadays the buzz word "available" seems to mean "free".

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                                Trafik Jamz
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                                DaveH;326604 wrote:
                                Nowadays the buzz word "available" seems to mean "free".

                                But, to some people saying "Yes, that IS available" still makes it unattainable. A Bugatti Veyron is AVAILABLE, but it is not attainable by most people. (Not referencing contraceptive's here specifically... free contraceptives have been available for free ever since Nixon signed a law funding planned parenthood back in the 70's.... that socialist bastard!)

                                I find it fundamentally wrong that the more money you have the more likely you are to have advanced healthcare options. If every life is precious and must be protected while it is in the womb, the same rules should apply once they are born.

                                Currently about 45,000 people per year die due to lack of insurance. What if just one of them turned out to be the next Einstein or Reagan?

                                The more I study it, the more I think single payer makes sense....at least in theory

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                                  78%
                                  Gary Johnson
                                  I side the most with Gary Johnson on issues of Social, Domestic policy, Healthcare, and the Economy. More info
                                  74%
                                  R. Lee Wrights
                                  I side the most with R. Lee Wrights on issues of Domestic policy, the Economy, and Healthcare. More info
                                  72%
                                  Ron Paul
                                  I side the most with Ron Paul on issues of Domestic policy, the Economy, and Healthcare. More info
                                  58%
                                  Mitt Romney
                                  I side the most with Mitt Romney on issues of Domestic policy and Science. More info
                                  56%
                                  Rick Santorum
                                  I side the most with Rick Santorum on issues of Domestic policy, Healthcare, Immigration, and the Economy. More info
                                  56%
                                  Jimmy McMillan
                                  I side the most with Jimmy McMillan on issues of the Economy and Domestic policy. More info
                                  56%
                                  Kent Mesplay
                                  I side the most with Kent Mesplay on issues of Domestic policy and Science. More info
                                  53%
                                  Newt Gingrich
                                  I side the most with Newt Gingrich on issues of Domestic policy and Healthcare. More info
                                  50%
                                  Barack Obama
                                  I side the most with Barack Obama on issues of Science and the Environment. More info
                                  48%
                                  Buddy Roemer
                                  I side the most with Buddy Roemer on issues of Healthcare and Domestic policy. More info
                                  45%

                                  77%
                                  Libertarian
                                  56%
                                  Green
                                  50%
                                  Republican
                                  50%
                                  Democratic

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                                    DaveH
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                                    Trafik Jamz;326605 wrote:
                                    I find it fundamentally wrong that the more money you have the more likely you are to have advanced healthcare options.

                                    The more money you have the more likely you are to have nutritious food, a nice warm place to call home, and pretty much everything else in life. Should the government intervene in everything we do to make sure poor people have the same quality of stuff as more wealthy people?

                                    Trafik Jamz;326605 wrote:
                                    If every life is precious and must be protected while it is in the womb, the same rules should apply once they are born.

                                    Wow, thats quite a stretch. Being protected from being killed is quite different from being guaranteed "free" medical care, don't you think?

                                    Trafik Jamz;326605 wrote:
                                    Currently about 45,000 people per year die due to lack of insurance. What if just one of them turned out to be the next Einstein or Reagan? The more I study it, the more I think single payer makes sense....at least in theory

                                    In reality, most die from poor life choices, not lack of insurance. Perhaps the government should attack the root cause instead of waiting for the treatment stage. We should all be given 3 nutritious meals per day, a nice one-bedroom apartment, be forced to exercise 30 minutes a day (to be verified by big brother), anyone caught smoking, drinking, or anything else harmful to our health shall be placed in a government institution and weaned off the offending substance before being sent back, etc etc....

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                                      Trafik Jamz;326605 wrote:
                                      I find it fundamentally wrong that the more money you have the more likely you are to have advanced healthcare options.

                                      Why?

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                                        DaveH;326610 wrote:
                                        The more money you have the more likely you are to have nutritious food, a nice warm place to call home, and pretty much everything else in life. Should the government intervene in everything we do to make sure poor people have the same quality of stuff as more wealthy people?

                                        In reality, most die from poor life choices, not lack of insurance. Perhaps the government should attack the root cause instead of waiting for the treatment stage. We should all be given 3 nutritious meals per day, a nice one-bedroom apartment, be forced to exercise 30 minutes a day (to be verified by big brother), anyone caught smoking, drinking, or anything else harmful to our health shall be placed in a government institution and weaned off the offending substance before being sent back, etc etc....

                                        Troof, poor people are generally poor due to their poor decision making.

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                                          DaveH;326610 wrote:
                                          The more money you have the more likely you are to have nutritious food, a nice warm place to call home, and pretty much everything else in life. Should the government intervene in everything we do to make sure poor people have the same quality of stuff as more wealthy people? They already do to a degree with the foodstamp program

                                          Wow, thats quite a stretch. Being protected from being killed is quite different from being guaranteed "free" medical care, don't you think?

                                          I never said free. Nothing is free. But they should be able to get the same basic care to keep them from dying that a more well to do person would. There will always be haves/have not's. I get that. What I don't get is why your ability to stay alive should be dependent on how much money you make.

                                          In reality, most die from poor life choices, not lack of insurance. Perhaps the government should attack the root cause instead of waiting for the treatment stage. We should all be given 3 nutritious meals per day, a nice one-bedroom apartment, be forced to exercise 30 minutes a day (to be verified by big brother), anyone caught smoking, drinking, or anything else harmful to our health shall be placed in a government institution and weaned off the offending substance before being sent back, etc etc....

                                          Life choices account for a large part, I can agree with that. And I really don't want the gov't telling anyone that they HAVE to do anything.

                                          (Hypothetically speaking from this point on) IF there were a single payer system (or universal multipayer), I'm 100% ok with surcharges for people who knowing choose an unhealthy lifestyle. If you are fat, you are a higher risk, you need to pay MORE for coverage. If you smoke, you pay more. If you do drugs you pay more. Etc, etc, etc... And single payer isn't 100% accurate on how I'd want it done either. I'd rather see a German type system where you choose the coverage you want (basic coverage to keep you alive if you do get sick) but it is a universal multi-payer system. Multiple PRIVATE insurance companies provide the coverage, however the fed pays the bill for the base coverage.... if you want more/specific coverage, you pay out of pocket for that.

                                          So I guess to answer thrash's question, I worded my own statement wrong/poorly. I think everyone has the right to life saving procedures and treatments beyond emergency room care (providing industry standard care for cancer, etc...) However, if you want experimental/high tech/advanced treatments beyond the normal scope, I'm ok with being able to pay that out of pocket or with specialized supplemental coverage.

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