Your vote counts

[torbs]

I wrote this earlier today and put it on my Facebook, what's your opinion?

For those of you that say your vote doesn't matter, please take a minute to read. Please, share this with your friends. This isn't meant to be partisan, just to show how much YOUR vote truly matters.

It was in 2008 where 157 Minnesotans passed Obamacare. How do I figure? Well, according to Politico, the race between Norm Coleman and Al Franken was decided by 312 votes out of 2.9 million cast. If you have 157 of those who voted for Al Franken switch to Norm Coleman, Norm Coleman would have won the election (subtract 157 from Al Franken's column and add 157 to Norm Coleman's column), thus keeping Democrats from having an exact 60 Senator Super Majority in the Senate, which allowed Democrats to push through Obamacare with no filibuster. Therefore, it was 157 Minnesotans that ultimately passed Obamacare because the result of that election gave the Democrats the exact number of Senators they needed to pass it.

Yesterday, the city of Fargo held a vote, and in this was measure 1, a 1/2 of one cent sales tax to last for 20 years . All counting isn't done yet, but with the math (according to Kevin Wallevand at WDAY during the 6PM broadcast today), we are only 13 votes away from a recount. This means if 7 people would have voted the other way, there would have automatically been a recount. Also, the measure needs 60% to pass, it received (thus far) 60.3% (a 63 vote difference). Out of the whole city, there were 21,855 people whose votes have been counted so far (a few absentee remain to be counted over the weekend). Therefore, thus far, if 32 people had voted the other way, the tax would not have passed (if recounts show it not passing either) as it takes away 32 from the yes's and changes them to 32 no's, thus a total difference of 64 (currently a 63 vote difference).

These are just two local issues from the past 4 years, just imagine how many others there are. Just a few people in Minnesota changed the entire history of this country with their vote. YOU can too. YOUR opinion matters.

[Eurofan]

Interesting/good post OP.

[Trafik Jamz]

I agree. And I'll take it a step further than that. Even if you are happy with the way the elections results turned out in the above two examples it is still important to vote for who is going to represent you and especially for local measures that affect you daily. But really, all politics are local so I just encourage people to pay attention to what it going in, educate yourself on the issues (by that I mean listen to both sides of the argument and THEN make your opinion instead of just listening to one pundit and deciding that his/her word is gospel... because there is a TON of spin on both sides of the issues) and on your choice of candidate. There are some poor candidates on both sides from time to time after all.

[Rexwagon]

that extra sales tax pisses me off
/thread

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[Trafik Jamz]

Rexwagon;326981 wrote:
that extra sales tax pisses me off
/thread

Well, it depends how you define "extra". It's not a NEW tax, but it is a tax above and beyond what the standard rate would be without it in place. (meaning nothing changed by passing it)

[DaveH]

Well, the tax would have expired and would not have existied had it not been voted on, so I guess you can look at it both ways. I see it as extra, because it had expired.

Trafik Jamz;327005 wrote:
Well, it depends how you define "extra". It's not a NEW tax, but it is a tax above and beyond what the standard rate would be without it in place. (meaning nothing changed by passing it)

[ticklemedaly]

The problem I see is that there is no reasoning support for either sides of a position in question here. When we talk about the 1/2 cent sales tax, why are you against or for it? Talking about Obamacare, why do you feel that we need it, or are against it? There will always be two sides to a story, and the majority will always win. That is the unfortunate part of politics. If decisions were made in a rational timely manner, we would all be happy with the outcomes of voting. It is this where education needs to come in, and have voters decide based on being fully educated on the topic at stake. Yes we need more people to vote, but not because you want more people to vote for your position, but because they should be voting for their own beliefs.

That said, I will start with the sales tax. Yes, it appears that we have funding to get things done. But the biggest question that every citizen of this metro area has the same underling concern... WHERE is our flood protection??? Every year that goes by without actually getting a diversion or flood wall built creates risk associated with severe flooding in the spring. We can not rely on the federal government paying for a portion of the flood protection that is needed. History shows that they only step in at the very last minute, if not when it is too late. Besides, the federal government is finally cutting their spending to try and get their deficit in check. How do we know that any potential flood funding won't be there tomorrow? The 1/2 cent sales tax will help provide added monetary resources to get the project finished, without relying on government.

Thoughts?

[Eurofan]

ticklemedaly;327010 wrote:
Besides, the federal government is finally cutting their spending to try and get their deficit in check.

Thoughts?

Clever joke

[DaveH]

My problem with the tax is this: The tax was initially voted on for a specific reason, it was put in place for a specific period of time after which it was to expire. To simply renew it "just because we might need it" goes against my grain. If we need funding for flood protection, then they should figure out how much we need, and then vote for funding it.

Obamacare: Ugh, everything in Obamacare goes against my grain, and the core of what this country was built on. IMO, we need LESS government, not MORE government in everything, not just our "healthcare" system.

Yes, the gubmint is sure getting the deficit under control. It depends on whos numbers you believe, but it looks like 1.3 trillion (give or take) for this year, just a little more than last year.

ticklemedaly;327010 wrote:
The problem I see is that there is no reasoning support for either sides of a position in question here. When we talk about the 1/2 cent sales tax, why are you against or for it? Talking about Obamacare, why do you feel that we need it, or are against it? There will always be two sides to a story, and the majority will always win. That is the unfortunate part of politics. If decisions were made in a rational timely manner, we would all be happy with the outcomes of voting. It is this where education needs to come in, and have voters decide based on being fully educated on the topic at stake. Yes we need more people to vote, but not because you want more people to vote for your position, but because they should be voting for their own beliefs.

That said, I will start with the sales tax. Yes, it appears that we have funding to get things done. But the biggest question that every citizen of this metro area has the same underling concern... WHERE is our flood protection??? Every year that goes by without actually getting a diversion or flood wall built creates risk associated with severe flooding in the spring. We can not rely on the federal government paying for a portion of the flood protection that is needed. History shows that they only step in at the very last minute, if not when it is too late. Besides, the federal government is finally cutting their spending to try and get their deficit in check. How do we know that any potential flood funding won't be there tomorrow? The 1/2 cent sales tax will help provide added monetary resources to get the project finished, without relying on government.

Thoughts?

[DaveH]

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