anybody have RCTC3 or SimCity4?

[ichibankilla]

I'm not saying there isn't piracy, just that the reason it's been made such a big deal of is that the executives and presidents of these companies who the money lost is nothing but pocket change to are doing the bitching. Yes some artists are complaining, Thanks Lars, but if it was just them it probably would've almost completely blew over by now.

Yes, $30 billion is alot. But it it's nothing compared to money being made.

Personally I think this is just more beurocratic bullshit to try to make us feel guilty.

Your either for or against. Or have no computer.

[PSiedTSi]

oh wait i have SimCity4...i just remembered that it is really really really hard and indepth

[amicheze]

i got a sim city 4 iso the other day, but for some reason it wont run.. even when mounted with daemon tools.

and on the piracy note, people neglected to mention that after napster became popular, music sales SKYROCKETED. today, video games alone account for hundreds of billions of dollars put into our country's economy. it all really does come down to greed. have you ever seen a literally poor businessman complaining about how he cant make any money because of piracy? no. its all the top business execs bitching about how they couldnt take home an extra couple million dollars that they dont need.

maybe if companies didnt charge 15 bucks for a 10 song cd, or 55 bucks plus another 15 a month to play a game, we wouldnt have such a problem.

you cant deny that its all about greedy bastards wanting more and more money. its about them having to pay for their multi million dollar houses with garages full of ferraris.

[jct_4628]

and just to clarify, I wasnt asking someone to pirate the games for me. I said that I would buy legitimate copies from someone if they had them.

not that I have anything against free though....hehe

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ichibankilla wrote:
Sony

This is bullshit. People pay good money $40-$60 for a game then they have to pay to play it. WTF is that shit? It's like buying a playstation or xbox and finding out after you open it that it has a quarter slot on it. But I guess there are a lot of gamers willing to pay a monthly fee so software companies are going to keep doing this.

Umm, paying $15 a month for constantly updated games to be played on their servers which provide 24 hour tech support at no additional cost (aside from the $15) is a pretty decent deal, thats about $.50 per day....less than a can of pop. BTW, to play XBox online you need to pay for xbox live. Some PS2 games have a fee to play online as well.

Prior to beta'ing EQ1 (everquest 1 for those out of the loop) I would not have paid to play online, but that game was AWESOME for its time and was worth it for me to pay to play (used to be 9.95/month.) I would have paid double that actually back then since it was mostly state of the art and so worth it.

I agree though that it seems odd to buy a game and then pay for the right to play it, but the MMORPG genre is here to stay, and with that comes subscription fees.

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amicheze wrote:
i got a sim city 4 iso the other day, but for some reason it wont run.. even when mounted with daemon tools.

and on the piracy note, people neglected to mention that after napster became popular, music sales SKYROCKETED. today, video games alone account for hundreds of billions of dollars put into our country's economy. it all really does come down to greed. have you ever seen a literally poor businessman complaining about how he cant make any money because of piracy? no. its all the top business execs bitching about how they couldnt take home an extra couple million dollars that they dont need.

maybe if companies didnt charge 15 bucks for a 10 song cd, or 55 bucks plus another 15 a month to play a game, we wouldnt have such a problem.

you cant deny that its all about greedy bastards wanting more and more money. its about them having to pay for their multi million dollar houses with garages full of ferraris.

You wonder why they charge $55 now? Next gen console games will START at a price of $70 guarenteed. More costs of development, making games is not cheap, paying the people to do it, is not cheap. Trust me - all software WOULD BE CHEAPER if piracy was 1/3 of what it is today. Yes music sales skyrocketed, but I am talking about software piracy, it's bad, stop doing it and go buy the damn software like you should.

As for SimCity 4 not working for Daemon Tools - first off Daemon Tools is not the end all be all of piracy cracking - CD emulation programs are very very easy to over run - its just the newb way of pirating, newb, but very effective (I still use it) - if you want it cracked there is a couple ways of doing it, you just have to write a cfg/bat file into the directory of the program to manually search for 3 files that you will extract from the CD manually.

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spoolude wrote:
I am talking about software piracy, it's bad, stop doing it and go buy the damn software like you should.

Unless we're talking about windows software....microsoft is evil ;):eek::D

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tjamz wrote:
Unless we're talking about windows software....microsoft is evil ;):eek::D

I don't think Microsoft piracy acounts for even 1/2 of the $30 billion dollars in question. Even if they are evil, those programmers are people who collect royalties.

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Actually, I hope Microsoft does great, I have them in my stock portfolio.

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tjamz wrote:
Actually, I hope Microsoft does great, I have them in my stock portfolio.

http://quotes.nasdaq.com/quote.dll?page=charting&mode=basics&selected=MSFT&symbol=MSFT%60

u sure thats a smart idea? Thing's are still going down and now that John Wall has already filed claim and it appears Microsoft may actually rename there savior OS (They need to make it big this time, MBS products havent yieled a profit since they've been great plains) even if they keep the name, it will detract investors.

Man look at there 52 week portfolio and look at Sun's....almost the exact same......rofl I know where my money is NOT going.

Totally off topic, but to be back on topic RTCW3 is a kickass game, COD:UO kicks even more ass though

[amicheze]

spoolude wrote:
You wonder why they charge $55 now? Next gen console games will START at a price of $70 guarenteed. More costs of development, making games is not cheap, paying the people to do it, is not cheap. Trust me - all software WOULD BE CHEAPER if piracy was 1/3 of what it is today. Yes music sales skyrocketed, but I am talking about software piracy, it's bad, stop doing it and go buy the damn software like you should.

As for SimCity 4 not working for Daemon Tools - first off Daemon Tools is not the end all be all of piracy cracking - CD emulation programs are very very easy to over run - its just the newb way of pirating, newb, but very effective (I still use it) - if you want it cracked there is a couple ways of doing it, you just have to write a cfg/bat file into the directory of the program to manually search for 3 files that you will extract from the CD manually.

and you dont think game sales will go down when they start at 70 bucks? console makers dont have to worry about piracy quite so much. its pc game makers that are having the most problem. i guarantee piracy would be less if games would cost 1/3 as much. lowering game prices lowers profit per unit, but it increases unit sales. i highly doubt that the perfect medium between profit per unit and optimum units sold will be at 70 dollars/unit. thats just greed.

and yeah. i know dtools is the easiest/most 'newb' way of playing games. but if i could run doom3 using dtools with no problem, i figure a game that came out in august of '03 would be no problem.

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Main problem is, back in the day it took 2 guys to make a game look at the original mortal kombat for example, Ed Boon and John Tobias took care of it no problem, now with current generation of AI scripting, graphics design, background detail, physics, etc, etc - it takes well over a staff of 50, not to mention publishing costs.

Next Gen consoles are going to require an even larger staff - higher costs yield higher prices - fact of business. Just because gas prices are rising, I don't see you stealing gas at the pump.

As for D tools - well Maxis are smart guys, understand that some of the developers that work for Maxis came from the government. I could show you how to do it, but that would be unethical