Tufte in The Forum
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tjamz wrote:
How is looking someone of muslim decent and saying "They have a good likely hood of being terrorist, lets search them at the airport" any less prejudice than looking at a native american and saying "they must be drunks. lets pull them over and give them a sobriety test" or seeing a Mexican and saying "He must sell drugs, lets raid his house"? Just because the terrorists that struck the United States were Middle Eastern doesn't mean that all terrorists are middle eastern. I guess that by your standards, we should just round up all Muslims in this country and hold them in detention camps until this little conflict in Iraq is over.I'm going to go on a limb here and guess that you are a republican. Sounds like the same political spin they try every time one of the social freedoms of this country is taken away. Don't get me wrong here, I wish the gov't would do more to control who does come into this country. Maybe do some background checks before they're allowed in. Maybe keep track of those who have been here beyond what their Visas allowed for.
Last I looked, we are at war, and a very confusing one. Where the line between "civilian" and "military" has no meaning. I would like to see the country and our loved ones protected from those who wish to do us harm. Let's look at recent history:
Israel: suicide bombers terrorize the population, all bombers are Muslim
9/11: People, who happen to be Muslim, fly airplanes into buildings in New York
London: People, who happen to be Muslim, suicide bomb subways.
Now London is an example I want to go more in depth with. Because there, we see a tragic point of racial profiling. Shortly after the bombings, an innocent person was killed, because he ran from police, and because OF HIS RACE. There are many tragedies of war, and this is a prime example of one.
I don't know, I am of the mindset I want to protect myself and those around me from those who wish to do harm unto others. But what would be the best measures to take? Racial profiling is a controversial issue, and it has been so skewed by the media that it is hard to make any sort of an informative decision anymore.
Is racial profiling wrong? Is it the same as prejudice, or "racism"? First of all, I am operating under the assumption that you cannot be "racially profiled" unless you happen to be at war. If a caucasion male were to take a trip to Iraq right now, they would have a high likelihood of being hurt or killed. Because they would have been racially profiled (an American!).
I am well aware of what happened in WWII, and I am not in agreement with that at all. Some of you are taking this way too far.
At the same time, I am human, and I can be wrong. Is racial profiling wrong? I am certainly willing to change my viewpoint. I am not the type of person that takes pleasure in hurting others.
At the same time, there are Middle Eastern countries, inhabited by people who happen to be Muslim, and some of these people have declared war on us and would like to see as many Americans dead as possible, with whatever means it takes, simply because of the ideals of freedom that we hold in this country.
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Now London is an example I want to go more in depth with. Because there, we see a tragic point of racial profiling. Shortly after the bombings, an innocent person was killed, because he ran from police, and because OF HIS RACE. There are many tragedies of war, and this is a prime example of one.
^ that is a perfect example... with what you said earlier you fully condone this. I, along with a couple otheres who have spoke up already, obviously think that is a huge heapin pile o shit. any rational person should. nobody should be shot in the back on suspicion, let alone the color of his skin or his religious beliefs? wow. i think people have the right to bare arms but i may just have to rethink my policy because you scare me.
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You are an idiot.
Fine, lets take a look at recent events. If you want to talk about "terrorists" in the isreali-palestian conflict, you can say the isreali's are just as much terrorists as the palestines are, however, they do have the backing of major players in the world. Are you trying to tell me, that if somebody just decided to give your land away you wouldn't be pissed off, in the street with your shot gun too? I think not. Moreover, you can see the isreali's commit just as many atrocities as the palestinies do.
We look further to bosnia, where they "middle eastern" colored skin there?
The IRA, i'm sure they looked "like towel heads"...
Looking at the ongoing conflicts and "terrorism" in russia...
In fact, you may as well racially profile all black people becuase there are terrorists in african countries, and asians as well becase we all know north korea is going to blow the shit out of us...
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92BlackTT wrote:
^ that is a perfect example... with what you said earlier you fully condone this. I, along with a couple otheres who have spoke up already, obviously think that is a huge heapin pile o shit. any rational person should. nobody should be shot in the back on suspicion, let alone the color of his skin or his religious beliefs? wow. i think people have the right to bare arms but i may just have to rethink my policy because you scare me.Well, at least we can agree on the fact that an innocent person getting killed is a "huge heapin pile o shit". How many more examples of profiling gone wrong are there out there? Quite a number, I'd wager. At the same time, how many lives have been saved because of profiling? I asked this question on another forum, and someone made a very informative post:
68GTO wrote:
The overall profiling question, racial or some other characteristic, is an easy one to answer. It is less easy to put into action well, however.Profiling example #1: Someone steals your '03 cobra. You witness this from 100 ft away and see that this male person, (build, hair, skin as described by you) was wearing a North Carolina Baseball cap, a sleeveless t-shirt and baggy blue jeans. You report this to the police. They then begin to look anyone fitting this "description". The police have just created a "profile" and will seek to speak with anyone fitting this description because they know that someone like this has just committed a crime. Profiling.
Profiling example #2: As in this discussion thread, perpetrators of terroist crimes against the USA and throughout the world share common characteristics. They are race, religion, gender and age group. Authorities then create a "profile" on the information at hand to help "filter out" persons who meet these "criteria". Other than locating, watching and questioning people who fit this profile, there is NO HIDDEN AGENDA here. Profiling.
Profiling example #3: Murders are reported in Minneapolis with a certain ethnic group as the target and a certain ethnic group as the perpetrators. Police begin to look for these people based on the characteristics known. They may be poor. They may drive certain types of cars. They may dress a certain way or have a trademark fashion statement. All help to create a profile of that suspect/suspect group. If most of these crimes against one group are committed by another group, then to profile the suspect group is not bad. Profiles are created based on CHARACTERISTICS. Some are racial, behavioral, attitudinal, fashion-based, etc. Profiling.
You see, we do it all day - everyday! In job postings, in seeking a woman, in looking for a car. WE all have a list of criteria that helps us narrow our searches.
Profiling by itself is a neutral thing. Profiling is a useful tool. We ALL do it.
That is a convincing argument there.
I am listening to you guys too. Both sides bring up a valid point. What a grey issue, I am not sure there is a "right" or "wrong" in this case.
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Jim wrote:
You are an idiot.Fine, lets take a look at recent events. If you want to talk about "terrorists" in the isreali-palestian conflict, you can say the isreali's are just as much terrorists as the palestines are, however, they do have the backing of major players in the world. Are you trying to tell me, that if somebody just decided to give your land away you wouldn't be pissed off, in the street with your shot gun too? I think not. Moreover, you can see the isreali's commit just as many atrocities as the palestinies do.
We look further to bosnia, where they "middle eastern" colored skin there?
The IRA, i'm sure they looked "like towel heads"...
Looking at the ongoing conflicts and "terrorism" in russia...
In fact, you may as well racially profile all black people becuase there are terrorists in african countries, and asians as well becase we all know north korea is going to blow the shit out of us...
Good argument, but is the name calling necessary?
In times of conflict, across different geographical areas, race plays a major role. That is just how it is, however unfortunate it may be.
What I am searching for here, is whether more harm than good is done in racially profiling.
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Jim wrote:
You get on the subject of racial profiling, and you can be assured that any minority group here is going to be pissed off.Anyway, shiet this is my house....
Therefore, there is no argument, that shit is wrong.
If you want this discussion dropped, then so shall it be dropped.
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Who is Cratman? ^...................Anyways I did not want to chime in this, but I want to make a couple of opinions. I feel like profiling people at an airport is necessary and should be done. Can anyone blow up a plane, hijack, or etc? Yes........ but we did lose thousands of humans during 9/11. The arab nations(muslim extremists who believe in the 6th pillar of faith) are at war with the united states, so that is why they are the majority of the people profiled at an airport..........Not all arabs are islamic and some blacks, whites, and etc are islamic. It is not a fool proof plan. But we are trying to be proactive instead of reactive.
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99slowGSX wrote:
Who is Cratman? ^...................Anyways I did not want to chime in this, but I want to make a couple of opinions. I feel like profiling people at an airport is necessary and should be done. Can anyone blow up a plane, hijack, or etc? Yes........ but we did lose thousands of humans during 9/11. The arab nations(muslim extremists who believe in the 6th pillar of faith) are at war with the united states, so that is why they are the majority of the people profiled at an airport..........Not all arabs are islamic and some blacks, whites, and etc are islamic. It is not a fool proof plan. But we are trying to be proactive instead of reactive.omg! someone on the board understands what I am talking about! K, done now.
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Another opinion that I have about the import profiling scene is that we should be as nice as drivers as possible. Kill them with kindness kind of attitude. I know this will be a tough thing to do, but for example you coming up to construction and the lane turns into one. Why not be the nice person and let cars in and wait that extra ten seconds longer. When at a stop sign, wave the person next to you if you get there at the same time. Little things like that can help change the view that some people have towards imports.......
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I agree 100% with what Brian said in that last post.
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99slowGSX wrote:
Another opinion that I have about the import profiling scene is that we should be as nice as drivers as possible. Kill them with kindness kind of attitude. I know this will be a tough thing to do, but for example you coming up to construction and the lane turns into one. Why not be the nice person and let cars in and wait that extra ten seconds longer. When at a stop sign, wave the person next to you if you get there at the same time. Little things like that can help change the view that some people have towards imports.......Agreed. mature people drive nicer. Show them that you guys are no different than the rest of the people with cars.
Since I didn't get in on this in time. I have one thing racial to say. I am from a small town in the midwest. I drove a pickup with a gun in the back window, rusted (loud) exhaust, and I had fun shooting with said gun. I also drink budweiser. By you definition Jim, I am a redneck. You did just profile me, and have many times before. This illustrates the point that we all do it, including you. However, I don't care because I have, for the most part, a care free attitude. I know you are a minority Jim, as are many others. I understand that you may be upset, but please watch the insult throwing, it works both ways.
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99slowGSX wrote:
Another opinion that I have about the import profiling scene is that we should be as nice as drivers as possible. Kill them with kindness kind of attitude. I know this will be a tough thing to do, but for example you coming up to construction and the lane turns into one. Why not be the nice person and let cars in and wait that extra ten seconds longer. When at a stop sign, wave the person next to you if you get there at the same time. Little things like that can help change the view that some people have towards imports.......
I started doing this these last few weeks of the summer months. Feels good being a nice driver. People get suprised when young kids drive the speed limit, help people with flat tires, and stop completely at stop signs even if there's no need. I suggest everyone do the same. makes driving more relaxing. -
Legacy99 wrote:
stfu hick!YeeHaw! Hilbilly is also fitting since on the other side of the state we have hills.
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