Dyno in Fargo?!?! Interested?!?
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tjamz wrote:
Ok, let me explain why I brought up "outside" tuners. They have tuned hundreds/thousands of cars, have HUGE knowledge of the software they tune with and have most of the bugs/quirks figured out in their areas of expertise. (BTW Steve-O, Nathan was the one that gave me the info) In short, I would rather pay $500 to have my car properly tuned in 2 hours than $500 to have my car "figured out" in 4 hours. So far, I have about $150 total into tuning my car. I like Ron & the rest of the guys at RS, they treat me well but it did take them LOTS of time to get it right and realistically they'll never get my car to the point that I want it....though 310whp and 352wtq isn't too bad....I'd rather pay the seasoned professional to tune my car to the max (whether that be Dan, Jorge, Nathan, Phil, Shiv, whoever) potential. This is not a shot at you guys, just my 2 cents on the matter.I fully understand your point Chuck, but you aren't seeing our vision... I will explain a little further on our 'game plan' if you will. You being one of few at this point, are into 'tuning' your car. You want to acheive every ounce of hp/tq/af from your vehicle when you modify it. If we got a dyno, you would want to have someone that knows your software front to back to come and spend as little time on your vehicle as necessary to get it top notch. Where the issue lays is we as a tuning shop, will not be able to further ourselves if all the serious people turn to other tuners. Yes for awhile it may take a little more time to get your vehicle top notch, but we would learn what works well and what doesn't. So on the next vehicle we will have carried over knowledge from your car to the next guy. Dan, Jorge, Nathan, Phil, and Shiv started at square one. Yes I understand that 2 of them developed the software so they obviously knew about tuning before the software was created, but where did they start? For us to be successful and keep the dyno in town, we would NEED to be knowledgable and known to tune cars properly. So what would be needed from YOU is a little extra time (which you WOULDN'T be charged for...(the extra time that is)) to have us further ourselves and help keep your expenses down (bringing in a tuner cannot be cheap). We want to build a reputation throughout the area as a reputible shop that tunes very well... and to acheive this will take patience and devotion from you and other in the area. If we are just a shop that gets hp #'s for people, and never tunes we will not have the dyno for a year. Bottom line. Too get things rolling IF THIS WORKS OUT, it may help to have one of the above named present during tuning, but we would hope to get the confidence of the scene to tune their car without the help of someone else. That is our 'vision'.
Jason
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Jason if you buy this dyno are you going to offer all kinds of tuning? not just for imports but for domestics also? no good just spinning up cars/trucks on the dyno if you cant offer them some type of tunning...and then your looking at more training and software to do this
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tntmstr wrote:
I fully understand your point Chuck, but you aren't seeing our vision... I will explain a little further on our 'game plan' if you will. You being one of few at this point, are into 'tuning' your car. You want to acheive every ounce of hp/tq/af from your vehicle when you modify it. If we got a dyno, you would want to have someone that knows your software front to back to come and spend as little time on your vehicle as necessary to get it top notch. Where the issue lays is we as a tuning shop, will not be able to further ourselves if all the serious people turn to other tuners. Yes for awhile it may take a little more time to get your vehicle top notch, but we would learn what works well and what doesn't. So on the next vehicle we will have carried over knowledge from your car to the next guy. Dan, Jorge, Nathan, Phil, and Shiv started at square one. Yes I understand that 2 of them developed the software so they obviously knew about tuning before the software was created, but where did they start? For us to be successful and keep the dyno in town, we would NEED to be knowledgable and known to tune cars properly. So what would be needed from YOU is a little extra time (which you WOULDN'T be charged for...(the extra time that is)) to have us further ourselves and help keep your expenses down (bringing in a tuner cannot be cheap). We want to build a reputation throughout the area as a reputible shop that tunes very well... and to acheive this will take patience and devotion from you and other in the area. If we are just a shop that gets hp #'s for people, and never tunes we will not have the dyno for a year. Bottom line. Too get things rolling IF THIS WORKS OUT, it may help to have one of the above named present during tuning, but we would hope to get the confidence of the scene to tune their car without the help of someone else. That is our 'vision'.Jason
It does make a lot of sense...you do have to start somewhere...Like you said though, it would be nice if you gave us a break on pricing, etc if you were still learning the software so we don't have to pay for your inexperience right away. I mean I know you guys have to make money but we also don't want to pay $115ish an hour for you to struggle to learn something. Maybe even give a few random people with all different software breaks on tuning so you guys can learn etc? Obviously this would only work if you were comfortable touching the car...Not only would you learn in a real world business situation(not just a class), but you would build a good name from the beginning. I dunno if any of that is what you guys were thinking or not but I thought I would say it. I would love to self-tune as well down the road, but like you said thats for future decisions...
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tntmstr wrote:
Where the issue lays is we as a tuning shop, will not be able to further ourselves if all the serious people turn to other tuners. Yes for awhile it may take a little more time to get your vehicle top notch, but we would learn what works well and what doesn't. So on the next vehicle we will have carried over knowledge from your car to the next guy.
JasonIt's good to see that you (TM) are looking at the big picture. When this thread started, the first thing I thought of was that something would need to be different from the way Performance Auto ran the dyno when they had one in town. As we all know, they didn't give up on the idea without a reason. That said, I don't know much about these Dynopak dyno's. It seems hard to believe that the little box on the floor doesn't try to flip over when you put some serious HP into them. What is the max HP of the dyno you were thinking of getting?
DaveH
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DaveH wrote:
It's good to see that you (TM) are looking at the big picture. When this thread started, the first thing I thought of was that something would need to be different from the way Performance Auto ran the dyno when they had one in town. As we all know, they didn't give up on the idea without a reason. That said, I don't know much about these Dynopak dyno's. It seems hard to believe that the little box on the floor doesn't try to flip over when you put some serious HP into them. What is the max HP of the dyno you were thinking of getting?http://www.dynapack.com/products/4wd/
This webpage will give you a good reference. Each of the adaptor pieces weighs around 300-400 lbs.... There has not been an issue as of yet with any car, of any power, 'flipping' the units... This is from the words of dynapack as we wondered the same info.
Jason
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MisterCMK wrote:
Is that dyno somewhat mobile? If so, would it make sense to bring it to events such as the Street Legals, or car shows, things like that and tune?The dyno is mobile... As posted before please visit http://www.dynapack.com/products/4wd/ and you can see that each item isn't very large, but they are heavy.... So would they be present at the legal drags?? YES Car shows?? YES Every little event in town?? No they are too heavy to go everywhere, but where we can get it and get good use of it, we will try and bring it!
Good Question!
Jason
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94NDTA wrote:
So, if I got LT1 edit, or Tunercat....would you let me tune it, bring someone in who knows more about it, or refer me to another place?I am sorry to beat a dead horse, but everyone needs to listen when I say WE ARE LOOKING INTO THE IDEA OF BUYING A DYNO, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF: WE WERE QUALIFIED TO WORK ON YOUR CAR, WOULD YOU USE IT? HOW OFTEN?
Boyz, we don't have the dyno yet, and we don't know what all needs to be done AFTER we get the dyno, but when/IF the order goes in, we will discuss certain direct questions of this nature. As I stated before, we plan to obtain enough education and educated people to tune nearly everything that is brought to us. It may never work that way, but we want very badly to help everyone acheive success in their tuning efforts... Whether V8, 4 cyl, turbo, supercharged, N/A, etc... we want the ability to help!
That being said, please keep the technical questions aside until we decide on the dyno, and then, IF it happens we will post a thread on which software/products people are using the most, and that will be where this question can/will be answered. Thanks for the question though!!
Jason
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First off, hell yes, a local dyno.
Second, I would be very interested in using it, once I get more serious beyond bolt ons for my car, which should be coming up at the end of next summer, budget willing, b/c you know us AF guys don't make all that cheese.
Once I start doing headwork and start building the motor, I can forecast about 3-4 dyno trips a year while it's being worked on.
-Peter
1991 240SX
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BTW, I am 100% behind you guys getting a dyno. I KNOW I would use the service several times a year. I was mostly bringing up the "What if" scenarios if for no other reason than to make you think about them ahead of time. Yes, I know you guys have done more subaru work than any shop in town....hell, you know for a fact I ask you guys for advice from time to time as well because of this. You also nailed it in that I am looking for every ounce of power/torque I can get, I know I'm not the typical "tuner", I'd rather increase power by tuning than throw a bigger turbo on it. I like to think we have a good working relationship with each other, a working relationship that I respect and greatly appreciate. So to conclude, yes, I think it is a good idea. I can't predict the market response to a dynamometer, but I suspect it could be a good thing IF it was promoted well. If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.
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i would be all for it. id for shure dyno my jeep just for the hell of it. and my 240 id be loving a good dyno place in the area, i can see 3-4 times a year on a dyno with as more and more toys go on.
my dads shop gets alot of people looking for diesel performance that dont believe what you can get, my dad would refer people to go dyno there trucks overthere
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If your making restrictions on people not being able to tune their own vehicles or bring in their own tuner then that will be your major downfall. For instance those of use who are very big into this scene/racing would want to be doing our own tuning. For instance if i were to dyno i wouldn't want to be letting someone else do it who may or may not even be qualified to do it.
And yes Dynapacks usually read way high. If i were in the market i'd go Dynojet in the floor and be done w/ it.
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PSI2HI wrote:
If your making restrictions on people not being able to tune their own vehicles or bring in their own tuner then that will be your major downfall. For instance those of use who are very big into this scene/racing would want to be doing our own tuning. For instance if i were to dyno i wouldn't want to be letting someone else do it who may or may not even be qualified to do it.And yes Dynapacks usually read way high. If i were in the market i'd go Dynojet in the floor and be done w/ it.
You can make a dyno read any way you want. All it takes is modifying that field that says "weight".
Also, the general consensus from the "tuning community" is that dynojets read the highest.
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BUY IT UP !!! and they will come...
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