A little story about Valley Imports.
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97slowgsx wrote:
it would cost way to much money and take way to much time ...for anythign to happen in court.And that's exactly what the fuckhead salesman is counting on. Sorry to hear about that. I wont be buying there either. Wait, I could never afford to anyway. Well, you still have my support for what it's worth. Shitty deal no matter how you look at it.
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if its salvage it is fraud(the kind you can win) you cannot sell a salvage title car without damage disclosure. You should dig deeper into the amount and kind of damage. It is possible a salvage title car can magically come back clean when state to state transfers take place, especially from distances like florida. Ive seen it happen. If you can prove carfax wrong dont they buy you a car?
That is a pretty bad deal but I would keep after it. If you cause a big enough fuss and drag your feet you never know. A friend bought a van from ford and it blew up two days later. long story short he got the money back from ford for the van including sales tax and liscencing fees.
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from knowledge of working at a dealership, I would go back to the sales guy, regardless of you think it will help or not. Go to the sales manager with your proof and go higher yet. I work at Corwin Honda, and we take our shit seriously. If Valley is anything like Corwin, they care about a decent reputation. Make a fuss and cause a scene, and possibly talk to the right people, and things happen. Trust me! Not sure if it will work in your case, but anyhow, dont back down. Thats a shitty deal, hope it all works out for ya.
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green6767 wrote:
from knowledge of working at a dealership, I would go back to the sales guy, regardless of you think it will help or not. Go to the sales manager with your proof and go higher yet. I work at Corwin Honda, and we take our shit seriously. If Valley is anything like Corwin, they care about a decent reputation. Make a fuss and cause a scene, and possibly talk to the right people, and things happen. Trust me! Not sure if it will work in your case, but anyhow, dont back down. Thats a shitty deal, hope it all works out for ya.I was kinda thinking the same thing. Go in there when there busy and make a big fuss about how "WALLY" lied to you about the condition your car was in before you bought it, make sure you include the "How many other cars did you sell that were previously wrecked" line. At the very least you may lose them some customers and maybe high dollar ones at that. Also spread the word about your shitty experience. Remember, goo publicity travels fast but bad publicity travels faster.
You could also just drive the car right into there show room and tell them to keep the fucker. Just thought I'd give you another option.
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92BlackTT wrote:
if its salvage it is fraud(the kind you can win) you cannot sell a salvage title car without damage disclosure. You should dig deeper into the amount and kind of damage. It is possible a salvage title car can magically come back clean when state to state transfers take place, especially from distances like florida. Ive seen it happen. If you can prove carfax wrong dont they buy you a car?That is a pretty bad deal but I would keep after it. If you cause a big enough fuss and drag your feet you never know. A friend bought a van from ford and it blew up two days later. long story short he got the money back from ford for the van including sales tax and liscencing fees.
He's absolutely right - do some digging on the car.
On a side note - you can take VI to small claims court for very little money, but there's a max you can sue them for. I would first talk to the salesman and if he somewhat admits he had false information or he misled you, let him know that he'll be in court. If you can get a judgement for the repair, it may set some groundwork for a larger suit - having them buy the car back.
If Wally doesn't admit much, you may be fooked
Fvckin machine took my quarter
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Title is clear. Florida is a non-disclosure state (which means even if the car is totalled the DMV doesn't have to know about it or report it on the title) which is why MANY dealerships buy there and bring wrecked cars there to auction.
And even if I took them to small claims it is still our word against theirs.
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there's a similar case that happened in 1992 in florida. a bmw dealership sold cars as brand new, original paint and never in an accident. a regional sales manger of a medical supply firm happened to buy a car from them. he was later suprised to find out after a storm that his paint had been peeling. he went back they told him the same thing VI told you, just gave them the run around. he went and filed a claim, took his car to a body shop to get an estimate, and the dealership lost in court, had to buy his car back, and pay for lost time at work, court costs and were now held liable for every car they sold. needless to say, they closed. so i agree with everyone else, simply drag your feet, they may not talk to you, but their hopeful customers will, and that could be the biggest affect it takes to get your money back.
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Here's my suggestion.. Go in with a "hidden" tape recorder, try to get him to admit that he said.. The car was from G-F, as a rental, or what-not.. That could be some hard evidence if it needs to go to court.. Longer you put it off, harder it is.. to maybe fight it..
I'd write letters to corporate if there is a corporate for VI.. do some digging, the internet is a nice tool for getting needed information.. -
its a crappy deal, I know, but it really isnt the end of the world
they should have told you about the damage, but what if the salesman didnt actually know about the damage? He might not be the bad guy, other than assuming that it was damage free. Or maybe someone told him this story?
Also, if theres no damage disclosure on the car or salvage title, it should still be worth retail value, shouldnt it? And if she keeps it, it should still be a good, dependable car seeing how its so new. Body damage shouldnt effect mechanical condition.
Body shops are never cheap, but if it was just the clear that came off, and none of the base coat, it would make it much cheaper to fix. Lots of times they can just give the surface a really good scuffing and re clear it.
In the end, the deal still sucks and you definately have a right to be pissed.
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Well.. If it was in a wreck and or whatever and could be sold w/o being told it was previously damaged, the paint should be covered under warranty cuz that shouldn't pertain to it.. it's weird how they can get that info. when VI saves a few couple hundred dollars, but they can reguard that info. when its sold..
So what I don't get is.. How they can buy a Fla. car, say it's got this warranty this/that
and when you bring it in for a paint claim; they deny it cuz it was previously totalled... or damaged, well.. Does that mean any future claims will be denied also? Engine, etc..????
A warranty could easily of lead or mislead you to buy a certain car.. Dig deep, get some info. don't get play'd like a fool like that.. -
If you want, two different agency's help out consumers. The Better Business Bureau, and the States Attorney Generals office. Claims to them are among the first before small claims court. You need to provide documentation that you weren't notified of an accident prior to this, and you need to send documents to VI about your incident with them and what you expect out of them. With these, you'll receive responses from them too. It is a hell of a long process, but it is worth it most of the time.
Ry
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All dealerships do this crap, the used car departments are criminals wherever you go...
If a carfax doesnt show anything, its perfect...right? fuck that, carfax doesnt show shit unless the car is fucked up beyond repair....yet even then they do repair themANY car that has had a major collision done is a POS. IT should never be driven again. Body shops are the biggest hacks in the world. I see this shit everyday, and acually today ive got this car that has literally the whole front end hacked to get the new parts to fit. its sick to even look at a $35K 04 w/ 4k on it thats never going to be right....and has a clean carfax.
Yes the salesman lied to you, so what? they do it everyday, they got your sale, got their money, and prolly doesnt even work there anymore. Go to the used car manager or general manager and let them know whats going on....
Also, dealers dont always work as one....all departments, (UC, NC, PArts, Service...) all work as seperate departments and thats why the service people told you to fuck off....cus they know the UC dept is full of shit
its the way it is....good luck!
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