FS Interstate Drag Ways
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i had done a research paper on street racing last year for english. i found a article on prevention and it mention interstate dragways in moorhead mn. the article was from a paper in san fransisco. so the name is out there allready but i have no clue how in california.
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Doing some rough figures i'd say its a safe bet to say it'd cost probably $250k+ a year to keep the place running between finance payments, insurance payments, utility bills, employees, upkeep, etc. All of that $$ in which is going to have to be made between April-Oct.
Biggest problem here now is its also a safe bet to say the bank is gonna want 10% down on the finacncing. Idk about you guys but i dont know to many people w/ $130k cash in their savings account. So either gotta be somebody w/ a good chunk of cash or a home owner w/ a well appraised home to take out some equity against their home for a second mortage to make a downpayment. All of of this in which is a risk. Based off hearing that Interstate Dragways pro-rated payouts last year because of the lack of attendance says to me last year they didn't make much $$ if any @ all.
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Weird..
My first time to the track w/ my car @ Cedar Falls.. Had a really good turn out..
And they run a Test/Tune every Friday... (evenings) so I hear; could be wrong..
And this is in IOWA.. 3+ hrs from Twin Cities; as well as Sabin would be.. I'm sure the crowd drawn to Sabin comes from North/South/West/East.. For at least a couple hours..
I'm sure there should/could still be an 06 Season if they are trying to sell it.. Could come to bring publicity to sell it; no reason to not let it go to use if they are trying to sell it..
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A853 wrote:
Weird..
My first time to the track w/ my car @ Cedar Falls.. Had a really good turn out..
And they run a Test/Tune every Friday... (evenings) so I hear; could be wrong..
And this is in IOWA.. 3+ hrs from Twin Cities; as well as Sabin would be.. I'm sure the crowd drawn to Sabin comes from North/South/West/East.. For at least a couple hours..
I'm sure there should/could still be an 06 Season if they are trying to sell it.. Could come to bring publicity to sell it; no reason to not let it go to use if they are trying to sell it..
just my opinion.I've been to Cedar Falls numerous times and they are night and day above us. And yeah they run test and tune nights every week, which idk why the hell we dont here. Thing that sucks here and isn't gonna chance is the noise ordinace and shutting down an hour before sunset, kinda ruins any chances of night racing/late events.
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well Day-Time Sat./Sun. before sunset would be nice..
I think Mid-Days Sat./Sun. ppl can make weekends of it..
Cedar Falls was also cheaper it was like $20 to race.... -
i was always wondering why there was never races later then 8ish on tintmasters nights and the late afternoons most of the time. why is there a noise ordinance there? if its a county thing why isn't buffalo river in the same ordinance(i believe that is still in clay county)
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Yup.. It is in Clay County; and in fact near Highway Ten; vs. Interstate ( a less frequently used road) and plus that.. They are what.. Every Sunday night??? When Sabin Drags are like Fri./Sat.s not a late Sunday; makes no sense...
Cuz it's a consistent louder ness at buffalo vs. less consistent loudness at a drag strip; which is closer to a more used highway...
maybe there's a petition or something that can be changed
unless it's an insurnace reason that they have to shut down before nighttime.. I dunno -
I personally think that is quite a bit of money for that set up because the land i doubt is worth more than $250k at most (im not sure what land goes for in sabin but im guessing not too much). And i know getting it paved and the timing stuff is fairly expensive but would still be affordable.. And the house and pole barn aren't really worth much. Just my oppinion but i don't think it is worth that much even if they have that into it. And the reason they wouldn't wait for the government to come take it for the highway is that eminant domain (government buying land for a public good) pays "fair" market value. Which for that place i would guess they would say the land and buildings are worth a couple hundred grand. They don't consider the time and effort put into it, the value of it as a buisness, or its purpose.
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Ya.. And In my opinion; if you end up selling to the GOVT., they'll pay a pretty penny (fair market value like someone said) and you could just do a quick rebuild somewhere else.. Maybe find some cheap land where future roads may not become an issue..
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A853 wrote:
Ya.. And In my opinion; if you end up selling to the GOVT., they'll pay a pretty penny (fair market value like someone said) and you could just do a quick rebuild somewhere else.. Maybe find some cheap land where future roads may not become an issue..
Just my .02
And maybe somewhere so there can be night drags to where people wont complain about loudness. It is hard to find area like this but its out there.Matt
92 Civic HB
JDM d15b w/14b@8psi
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the reason they don't race at night in sabin is because of Moorhead...the buffalo river speedway is in the middle of the country not really close to a town...we could go to the city council or something and try to get the ordinance changed...the worst thing they could say is no...and if they do say yes then it opens up a lot more possibilites...they may be more willing to change it if they see a business struggling because of it...moorhead in the past couple of years has been struggling for economic development and basically take whatever they can and do what they can to keep it now...
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A853 wrote:
if you end up selling to the GOVT., they'll pay a pretty penny (fair market value like someone said) and you could just do a quick rebuild somewhere else..'fair market value' is not going to be a pretty penny, no way, no how. There is no way they could sell that track and turn around and do a 'quick rebuild' somewhere else.
It's my personal opinion that the track and future tracks in this area are doomed. With the apparently shaky past and uncertain future of ISD, I'd be real suprised to see someone step up with the money for it.
A new track is extremely unlikely IMO. I don't know if anyone else followed the Minnesota Dragways attempt, but they couldn't find an investor to put up the money and that was supposedly only an hour outside of MPLS. I bet you couldn't combine the cities within 2 hours and get that kind of demand for a track. Either way, nobody wants to invest in a business that's only operational 6-7 months out of the year.
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true.. however, for this property to "Sell" then..
It'd only be an investment, and never used anyways.. for the price tag on that..
No 1 would want to buy it to tear it down.. unless they have some "BIG" plans for it.. -
PSiedTSi wrote:
the reason they don't race at night in sabin is because of Moorhead...the buffalo river speedway is in the middle of the country not really close to a town...we could go to the city council or something and try to get the ordinance changed...the worst thing they could say is no...and if they do say yes then it opens up a lot more possibilites...they may be more willing to change it if they see a business struggling because of it...moorhead in the past couple of years has been struggling for economic development and basically take whatever they can and do what they can to keep it now...Yeah i was gunna say, why not bring it to the council? It's loud, you can hear the engines at my house during the day when the races are on, but not while you're inside. Also why not say that if the races are allowed to go into the night it could prevent people from leaving at 8 or whatever and then street racing later or something like that. I bet if there was a decent turnout from all 4 precincts or whatever they are that the rules could be changed up a little.
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if someone is serious about buying it and financing is a problem, I know of this place out of chicago called state bank of John that may be willing to help out...
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the metropolitan area should buy it out (fargo w.fargo moorehead, dillworth) even if they come close to breaking even and do races say every week, start making people sign wavers of liablity so they don't need to run insurance
it's going to help keep street racing down
of course an ambulance is still going to have to be hired and safty safary but i know i'd volenteer to do that if someone would pay for my training and i'm willing to bet there are more like me that would volenteer to do that also
THIS SUCKS MY 1ST AND ONLY RUN I MADE AT A LEAGLE TRACK WITH LIGHTS... I broke and was only able to make one run... which of course sucked being my first time at a set of timing lights and the tree..... i want a chance to improve damit
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Well. I know if my memory serves me correctly; rumors have spreaded or been heard that Brainerd's dragstrip has been for sale for some many year's; or.. is just rumored..
I actually don't think that it may sell any time soon; I actually think we may be able to see a few more seasons out of this.. Or we all can hope... I don't see Moorhead expanding so much East, as compred to South.. Same w/ Fargo; they are expanding more West and South.. -
A853 wrote:
Well. I know if my memory serves me correctly; rumors have spreaded or been heard that Brainerd's dragstrip has been for sale for some many year's; or.. is just rumored..
I actually don't think that it may sell any time soon; I actually think we may be able to see a few more seasons out of this.. Or we all can hope... I don't see Moorhead expanding so much East, as compred to South.. Same w/ Fargo; they are expanding more West and South..well yeah fargo and west fargo can't expand that direction cross the river I don't think that is leagally possible for fargo to suck in land in another state :rolleyes:
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