Sounds comps....db mic....any interest?
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Who is all interested in seeing what there system really does??
I am thinking about buying a DB mic.
Either a Termlab or a Audiocontrol.
Have been doing alot of research...asked some guys i know that have competed at world finals in Usaci and they tell me to get the termlab.
But i'm wondering who would all be interested in using it..
Would people want to see it and have competitions at carshows??
Give me your input, because if alot of people are interested then i will probably buy one.
They arent cheap so i'd like people to be interested before i buy one.
Thanks, John
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Yes, i wouldnt just buy it and use it for people who wanted to test their systems and such..
I'd want to bring it to the car shows around the ND area..
And yes i would charge people to test their systems and i would charge whoever was holding the carshow for me to have it there.
So Let me know what you think...or give me some idea's on what to do.
-John
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not to be a jerk or sound negative, but I wouldn't test mine (or pay to test anyways) unless I had a shot at earning points to use towards world finals in a sanctioned contest.
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well in order to gain points to go to finals then you need to attend sanctioned events. and well there are NONE near here. NONE last year for USACi in MN. and NONE on the schedule for this year either. WI, IL and MO are the closest. last year there were 2 MECA events in ND, but i doubt they had many interested in finals.
DBDRAG i think had a handful of events in southern MN the last several years in Mankato at sweet sounds. beyond that it is again WI, IL, MO and IA.dunno what nothing happens in MN, but that is how it is.
in 03 i ran MN with USACi and had a blast. yes i spent alot of time on the road and alot on gas, but i still had fun. but USACi blew it when things did not start on time and ran late. so in 04 shows were half what they were in 03.as for having a termlab. they are not that spendy. and if you get shops involved, started on time, had a good vibe going and so on....you could get a good thing going once again. as car audio can be done by all. even if your car is not pretty. all that matters is that it is LOUD by the sensor.
get sanctioned events and then you sell time on the shop sensor to tune to get louder. both for bragging rights as well as that invite to finals.Monty
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tjamz wrote:
not to be a jerk or sound negative, but I wouldn't test mine (or pay to test anyways) unless I had a shot at earning points to use towards world finals in a sanctioned contest.well chuck, I would probably start out by having just state competitions...have different classes and such, pay to enter, either gain points over every session....or if there isnt that much interest then just pay for that comp and winners takes home a trophy and money.
I'm open for idea's right now but i'm gonna do some more reading up and find out how to have contests to go towards competing at world finals.
But I know you're picky anyways chuck.:D
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fwiw the termlab meter is rather nice, but there is nothing wrong with the audiocontrol meter either. Can they be set up to also do RTA (real time analysis) in 1/3 octave increments? If one can and the other can't, buy the one that can....gives you more tuning/comp options down the road. Things to be careful about...don't drop the calibrated mic! They are expensive to recalibrate.
Good luck starting an organization (even statewide) as many have come and gone over the years (nationally/regionally/locally....just not here locally) and only a few have been profitable.
What kind of guidelines are you going to be setting forth? Are you going to try and have classes similar to USACi or IASCA regarding power classes/speaker sizes or quantities/placement/mic placement/etc.... Are you going to make all competitors use the same reference material (music) or are you going to let each decide for themselves what they want to use? How are you going to base the power ratings of the amps? Bases on what is printed on the amp or what the brochure/owners manual says the amp will put out...also RMS or peak wattage? If RMS is it going to be RMS @ 4 ohm rating or RMS at whatever ohm the system is set up for? Can I place the mic where ever I want or does it have to meet certain criteria (for example, may I place the mic in a port/between the seats and the subs/etc...)? Is the reading going to be weighted (most use A weighting if memory serves)? What frequencies are going to be tested? Just sub frequencies (80Hz and lower) or can I effectively tune my car to resonate at say 125hz using quasi-harmonics and be judged at that point? If you limit the reference material to 80Hz, does the mic automatically ignore frequencies above that point? Are you going to require that the installs meet certain safety standards (fuse within 18" of battery, etc...)? Are you sick of me asking questions yet? When doing the competition is power class determined by just the sub amp or a combo of all the amps in the vehicle (minus the amp in the deck)? I'm sure I have more questions, but this should give you enough to think about...
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are you thinking SPL or SQ?
two totally different monsters there. both can suck the money. both can be rewarding. then again KISS always works. in some classes better than others.
i got the invite with a simple setup. a single 15 and 2 amps from the trunk. there were simple SQ setups there as well. on the other side there were WILD setups.
i will gladly share knowledge i have.
but spend sometime at the competition orgs forums.
USACi
MECA
IASCA
DBDRAG
those are the big players.
you will learn alot about them. and members are not afraid to talk good or bad about what is going on in their area.a cool thing that went over HUGE in 05 was full range SPL. it was called different names in different orgs, but basically they went back to the roots. where you played music for the full 30 seconds vs burps of tones. tougher on gear, but in reality more realistic to what we would experience in our daily rides.
Monty
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fwiw John, I hope you do this, I will even help you get started if you want. I think that DB Dragracing style would go over better than just about anything else around here, its fun to do and entertaining for the crowd. Basically there are 2 cars/teams competing at the same time. each team/car gets 30 seconds to achieve the highest reading (displayed on a digital readout/monitor), highest reading advances to the next round of comp...repeat until only 2 are left in a class.
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i will agree that heads up like dbdrag is cool. it is also odd how it is done. in street class rides are key off in the lanes. totally done on battery power. in super and mod you can run if you choose to. i forget how the new class works. i think both of them are key off as well.
and of course vehicles are all closed up. but it can be exciting as they wait for the others to go and then they try and try to get every bit they can out of what they have to top the other competitor. sometimes successfully sometimes not.
class's are based on number of subs and in the lower classes amps also come into play.
USACi cars can run and can be open if you choose. i think they limited it to 12v volts last year though finally for street class. well 14.4 if running. as many were running 16-18 volt setups. they class based on amp power. it used to be amps rating at 12v 4 ohms, but i think they have changed it with the new amp rating system. but not 100% sure on that.
this can be louder for the crowd as well. this is considered outlaw as mic has freedom to move instead of dash placement as in dbdrag. there is also port and super port wars.not sure on iasca and meca as i have not been to one of them comps.
but you could mix it up or whatever. make it different or make it similar.
Monty
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Yeah, thats the way the last DB Drag and USACi shows that I attended were as well. I just wanted him to think about as many different questions that might be presented to him as possible before he hold his first comp and has to start making exceptions/rules on the spot.
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tjamz wrote:
fwiw the termlab meter is rather nice, but there is nothing wrong with the audiocontrol meter either. Can they be set up to also do RTA (real time analysis) in 1/3 octave increments? If one can and the other can't, buy the one that can....gives you more tuning/comp options down the road. Things to be careful about...don't drop the calibrated mic! They are expensive to recalibrate.Good luck starting an organization (even statewide) as many have come and gone over the years (nationally/regionally/locally....just not here locally) and only a few have been profitable.
What kind of guidelines are you going to be setting forth? Are you going to try and have classes similar to USACi or IASCA regarding power classes/speaker sizes or quantities/placement/mic placement/etc.... Are you going to make all competitors use the same reference material (music) or are you going to let each decide for themselves what they want to use? How are you going to base the power ratings of the amps? Bases on what is printed on the amp or what the brochure/owners manual says the amp will put out...also RMS or peak wattage? If RMS is it going to be RMS @ 4 ohm rating or RMS at whatever ohm the system is set up for? Can I place the mic where ever I want or does it have to meet certain criteria (for example, may I place the mic in a port/between the seats and the subs/etc...)? Is the reading going to be weighted (most use A weighting if memory serves)? What frequencies are going to be tested? Just sub frequencies (80Hz and lower) or can I effectively tune my car to resonate at say 125hz using quasi-harmonics and be judged at that point? If you limit the reference material to 80Hz, does the mic automatically ignore frequencies above that point? Are you going to require that the installs meet certain safety standards (fuse within 18" of battery, etc...)? Are you sick of me asking questions yet? When doing the competition is power class determined by just the sub amp or a combo of all the amps in the vehicle (minus the amp in the deck)? I'm sure I have more questions, but this should give you enough to think about...
Well, I have decided to go with the 2 Sensor Termlab...using a laptop.
Termlap does have the real time analysis.As for guidelines i am thinking of having classes like usaci and IASCA...during competitions i will have competitiors using the same music yes...I will provide the cd for everyone to use.
There will be some divisions with the car running, and some with the car off.
Frequencies will be held probably between 20 and a 80 Hz.
Yes, every competitors system must be safety standards also.
During competition everyone will have 30 seconds to reach their highest SPL.Before every comp eveyone competing will have thier vehicles checked to see what class they are in, check all safety requirements ect...
There will be some different rules for every class...it all depends on the class you are in.^^^ Thats kind of unorganized cuz i was doing other things while typing it but you get somewhat of an idea...i'll keep ya updated.
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The rules that I will be using will be very similar to DBDrag's rules...All of their rules seem to be fair..
How many different classes would you guys want??
Street, Super Street, Extreme, Monster???Probably have classes with 1, 2, 3, and 4 subs...Unless someone has more than 4....dont't know of anyone rigthtnow that has more than 4 right now.
I'll probably be going to Iowa and Wisconsin this summer to see how they organize things and how everything is run.
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i bet you could get ahold of mike the owner of knu konceptz, he has a dual mic meter with 2 tripod stands with displays and i am sure he would be wanting to get rid of it decently cheap since he needs money. i can find out what he wants for it if you are interested.
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sure find out what he wants and what brand it is...i might be interested even though i like the termlab
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yeah i think his mics need to be calibrated or he had messed with the settings before he tested chucks car, because i know the first year he had the meter Fradet beat mikes car in reality, but mike turned up the DB on his car to beat mark. you can either add or subtract 10 DB. It also depends on what mic, mike was using because i believe one is calibrated good and the other isnt. It is a audiocontrol Meter. I talked to him today and he was not sure if wants to sell it yet or not.
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well i like the termlab alot better than the audiocontrol so owell...i think he's the one who brought it to the valley city car show ...and it was way off...
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last year when I hit 150 the mic was inside the port...and it wasn't ID 10's, it was Phoenix Gold 10's
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