Seat Belt Law
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thrash;169450 wrote:
Why not let insurers drop / deny claims by those not wearing seatbelts?
How about those people who are trying to make a claim against the person who was not wearing their seatbelt? How do you determine if a seatbelt would have played a role in preventing injury or property damage? Where do you draw the line? Seatbelts save lives. You cannot argue against that. Wearing a seatbelt is going to greatly reduce the chance of a person getting injured in a car accident.My dad was a passenger in a rollover in a pickup when he was much younger. He did not have a seatbelt on and was thrown out of the vehicle. To this day he has chronic neck and back pain stemming from that accident.
He was driving our Bronco II back from St. Cloud one night and hit a patch of black ice and ended up rolling it 3 times into the ditch. He had his seatbelt on at the time and the only injury he had was a scrape on his head from a sunglasses case flying around in the truck.
What all of the people touting that not wearing a seatbelt will save your life if you crash into a burning inferno with aids invested ninjas inside of your vehicle with the doors locked and blah blah blah don't mention is the number of lives that have been saved due to seatbelts.
I don't see a problem with a seatbelt law as it saves lives and protects people from unnecessary harm.
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I'm just going to use one blanket statement here, rather than covering each point:
Driving is not a right, it is a revocable <u>privilege</u> that has a defined (and ever changing) set of rules associated with it. Most of the rules are there for our own good. Yes there are stupid laws on the books, and fundamentally I agree with most everything that you posted in the last post, the practicality of it all is where I deviate.
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MisterCMK;169454 wrote:
My dad was a passenger in a rollover in a pickup when he was much younger. He did not have a seatbelt on and was thrown out of the vehicle. To this day he has chronic neck and back pain stemming from that accident.Because it was ultimately your dads fault for not wearing his seat belt. Like Thrash is saying, every law passed basically creates criminals. Many laws are pointless and create criminals out of people who really have done nothing to endanger anyone besides themselves. Under 18? Sure they should be able to control you, once you turn 18 you should have more rights. Should you always wear your seat belt? YES. Does everyone? No. Should the government have a right to punish and take money from people who decide they don't care about their life by not wearing a belt? No. Should insurance companies have to pay out any settlement to a person involved in an accident in which they weren't wearing a seat belt? No.
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How about we all just wear our seatbelts like the law says and get over it? If you don't like the law, write a letter to someone who can change it. Bitching about how it's so unfair isn't going to get you anywhere. "The constitution says ___." "My ___ died because they wore their seatbelt." "Statistics show ___." It's all pointless. If you get caught and fined, it's your own fault for breaking the law, no matter how stupid you think it is. Deal with it.
All the logic in the world isn't going to change anything by arguing on a local car forum.
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And the governments role shouldn't be to create criminals out of its citizens for petty shit. It should be a citizen run organization that makes NO profit (as little corruption as possible) and protects the rights and freedoms of the people. There are obvious situations (murder, land disputes, war, etc) that the government needs to get involved in to settle, but its ultimate purpose is to be a citizen run organization that protects our rights and freedoms, not be a robin hood or hitler. It does SO much more than that.
It's mundane shit like this that is a large reason why everything is so damn PC nowadays and everything needs to be spelled out to a T. People need to be told not to use chainsaws on their genitals now and if for some strange reason the manufacturer thinks people should know this and someone does use it there, the government just allows people to sue the hell out of corporations frivolously. Common sense doesn't exist anymore and stupid shit like this is the reason. Don't want to wear your seatbelt, it's your choice, when you die or get crippled because of it don't expect a damn thing from anyone though...no need to make laws that take advantage of the situation in order to get money though.
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I always wear mine, always will, and if I have a passenger, the car doesn't budge until they're buckled in.
It's beyond me why people continue to bitch about a law that can save your life.
And thank you tjamz for hitting the nail on the head. Driving is a priviledge, not a right. You fuck up, you lose the priviledge. That's why I never make a complaint thread about speeding tickets, etc. Why should I pout and ask for comfort when I know I screwed up?!
-Peter
1991 240SX
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Afsil80;169470 wrote:
It's beyond me why people continue to bitch about a law that can save your life.And thank you tjamz for hitting the nail on the head. Driving is a priviledge, not a right. You fuck up, you lose the priviledge. That's why I never make a complaint thread about speeding tickets, etc. Why should I pout and ask for comfort when I know I screwed up?!
Because if you need a law to make you do something that may potentially save your life, you have issues. It's a no brainer, law or no law, that seat belts save lives.
Speeding, drunk driving, and racing on the other hand can put other people at risk. You not wearing your seat belt while alone in your car has the potential to hurt nobody but yourself.
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MisterCMK;169488 wrote:
How about the people that you hurt when you are thrown out of your car into them or hit others in your car because you weren't belted in?Odds of being abducted by aliens or winning the lottery are probably higher.
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I think that it should be up to you, wear on or not.
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