Fuck gas prices...
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MisterCMK;219824 wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/may/22/oil.bubble.economicsThe oil prices will coming down when the bubble pops. Housing market anyone?
Decreasing to what? We will never see sub $3.00 gas again.
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MisterCMK;219823 wrote:
And our tax system is completely different so comparing our fuel prices to the fuel prices in Europe is like comparing a cargo van to a Supra.Lol....wow. Your an idiot. I guess since they pay "higher taxes" they do not buy gasoline. That would be comparing apples to oranges I guess. :icon_scratch:s Maybe thats why they are more fuel efficient over there and dont buy gas guzzlers. Probably use more basic transportation like walking or biking. Perhaps thats a good reason why they aren't as fat in Europe compared to "Fat America". Either way they pay "more" for a gallon of gas than we do. Again, we do not have it so bad here do we...
European Comparision of gas prices.
What if gas cost $10 a gallon?
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/WhatIfGasCost10DollarsAGallon.aspx -
StangerBanger96;219815 wrote:
We still haven't hit the same level of price inflation as they experienced in the 70's...When adjusted for inflation, we pay more per barrel now than they ever did back then.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/business/worldbusiness/03cnd-oil.html?hp -
SmitEvo;219839 wrote:
Lol....wow. Your an idiot. I guess since they pay "higher taxes" they do not buy gasoline. That would be comparing apples to oranges I guess. :icon_scratch:s Maybe thats why they are more fuel efficient over there and dont buy gas guzzlers. Probably use more basic transportation like walking or biking. Perhaps thats a good reason why they aren't as fat in Europe compared to "Fat America". Either way they pay "more" for a gallon of gas than we do. Again, we do not have it so bad here do we...European Comparision of gas prices.
What if gas cost $10 a gallon?
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/WhatIfGasCost10DollarsAGallon.aspxNow now, is the name calling really needed? The tax systems are different between the USA and Europe as is the infrastructure there. The taxes on fuel here generally goes to roads and transportation. In Europe, fuel taxes are used more for general revenue. This means that one cannot simply say that we are getting a good deal on fuel by comparing the price at the pump without digging deeper. Bottom line is that the tax structure is different and you can't directly compare them simply by looking at price.
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MisterCMK;219855 wrote:
Now now, is the name calling really needed? The tax systems are different between the USA and Europe as is the infrastructure there. The taxes on fuel here generally goes to roads and transportation. In Europe, fuel taxes are used more for general revenue. This means that one cannot simply say that we are getting a good deal on fuel by comparing the price at the pump without digging deeper. Bottom line is that the tax structure is different and you can't directly compare them simply by looking at price.Excuse my name calling...but if you were to fly to Europe right now and buy gas. How much would you be paying? Which would be the better deal for you? US or Europe? Taxes ARE part of the price of gas.
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bottom line is, gas is gonna suck to buy until someone can sneak by the oil companies and start mass producing hydrogen powered vehicles.
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^^^ The FCX is very tits, but an all electric vehicle would be better I believe (although I'm not an engineer). Electrolysis is energy intensive. Then you have to compress and store the hydrogen in order to burn it. Thermodynamics would suggest a simpler way would be to directly power a vehicle through electricity. I'm sure hydrogen fuel cells have numerous advantages of their own, which is why both should be used instead of relying on just one technology.
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Anyone can attempt to rationalize the run-up in oil prices through various cockameme scenarios. In the end, however, the fact that abiotic oil theory was disproved decades ago suggests that a supply/demand equilibrium will be reached, and, in fact, we will have to stop using oil at some point because it will simply become too expensive.
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Ok...just my random thought here (again). Bush went to OPEC and asked for more oil to be released. They said that they are meeting the current DEMAND so they will not increase the SUPPLY. So, if the SUPPLY=DEMAND then the only thing that could be running the prices up is the weakened dollar and speculation on the commodity markets.
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It would be in OPEC's interest to keep the oil price high, be it through artificial witholding or the fact they're pumping flat out. Track the tanker frequency if you want a clear picture, as most OPEC states do not allow outside oil reserve review, especially Saudi Aramco. Regardless, you realize we get most of our imported oil from Canada, Mexico, then Saudi Arabia right? The U.S. still produces a lot of her oil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWGsnW_NnxE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sPDNR2YS3s
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Whatever I bought a bike to get my big ass to work and back and will probibly be looking for a german diesel burner next year. The cougar will still be around to suck up a few hundred dollars in fuel here and there tho.
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torbs;219693 wrote:
nearly $70 to fill up a fucking Honda........................What has this world come to?/rant
Going back the the original post, it cost me $30 to fill up my honda yesterday, from E.
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reshalghoul wrote:
Electrolysis is energy intensive. Then you have to compress and store the hydrogen in order to burn it. Thermodynamics would suggest a simpler way would be to directly power a vehicle through electricity. I'm sure hydrogen fuel cells have numerous advantages of their own, which is why both should be used instead of relying on just one technology.Which is why there is speculation that within the next 50 to 100 years the Midwest (ND/MN/SD) will become the next Saudi Arabia for energy production. What I've read is that massive wind farms will be built in the Dakotas to power electrolysis plants in MN/Wisconsin which would be converting water from the great lakes/land of 15,000+ lakes into hydrogen.
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pics from CES this year of a tri-fuel vehicle from GM. Process goes something like this:
E85 motor runs to drive an electrical generator which then separates hydrogen out of a water reservoir....E85 motor also drives a compressor to compress the Hydrogen. Hydrogen then fuels a forced induction hydrogen powered engine. Byproduct of the burning hydrogen is water which is captured from the exhaust and filtered/separated and placed into the water reservoir where it is separated by the electric generator, etc, etc, etc...
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im a little behind on the hydrogen fuel technology, but have they found an proven alternative to fossil fuels for extracting hydrogen? if theyre still using fossil fuel its the same game with a different name.
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d^flex;219951 wrote:
im a little behind on the hydrogen fuel technology, but have they found an proven alternative to fossil fuels for extracting hydrogen? if theyre still using fossil fuel its the same game with a different name.Well you could use a place that gets its electricity from a Nuclear power plant, Windmills, or Hydroelectric Dam. Otherwise more than likely it's being powered by a Coal/Gas power plant. You need a match to start the fire...once the process of electrolysis is refined or they find a better way to extract hydrogen you can bet that the power to extract it will probably be coming from cleaner fuel sources than fossil fuels. Fossil fuels will be necessary to help jump start the change though...
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they should just bring back steam engines...
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