*2008 Presidential Thread* McCain vs Obama *Poll*
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hahah. The idea is to stop fighting drugs. Although I'm sure our government could figure out a way, you don't need to spend any money to fight drugs once you've decided to stop fighting them.
The "war on drugs" has done a few "Great" things
- revoke most of our search & seizure protection laws
- put black men in jail at an alarming rate
-- excaberating the problem of most black children growing up fatherless - cost us a shit-ton of money
- made drug lords rich, militant, politically relevant players in most of the countries that were trying to build democracies before we re-purposed their economies into drug fiefdoms and made them essentially lawless
I've never smoked, drank alcohol, or done any kind of illegal drugs. Devout mormons (who also abstain from caffiene) are about the only people more straightedge than I am. But I can't be convinced that our federal drug war is worth it. Not when most people in our generation have smoked weed and been fine. Not when most people in hollywood do coke and are never prosecuted for it. The inequality of justice in the drug war and the sheer scale of its infection into our civil liberties really makes me uncomfortable. I'd be fine repealing it all bit by bit.
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Seriously, Obama has some kind of messiah complex. Check out this quote from his speech the other nite:
I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.
Apparently, Obama will part the oceans and heal the sick?
What have all those doctors been doing since the hippocratic oath? Not providing care? Only caring for healthy people?
I'm interviewing multiple people this week and next for new jobs (not vacated jobs -- new ones) at my company (one of the largest cash injectors into the Fargo economy, BTW). I might have lost the memo that said "don't start hiring until next week, after Obama creates jobs out of magic fucking unicorn giggles"
The guy is in love with himself, and his fans are eating it up.
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This thread is full of win. I'm not voting for anyone, due to the reasons listed by many before me.
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Just ordered more AR15 parts today. Fuck obama.
His views on the 2nd amendment and the fact that he is about as socialistic as they come make him SCARY. He will destroy the US if he is elected.
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So wait...we are voting for a dictator as most of the more conservative posters here seem to think based on comments that he will ban all guns. Obama is probably more likely to get legislation through as a senator in that regards than he is as a president, because as a President, he doesn't get to introduce legislation directly and anything that gets to his desk will have already crossed the desks of the Senators and House members and gotten their approval on (or at least the majority of their approval)...except McCain who will probably miss that vote in the Senate as well...I mean, he has missed more votes than he has participated in in the last couple sessions. I'm a gun owner who has no problem with voting for someone who is seeking some forms of gun control....background checks, holding dealers responsible IF they sell to someone who doesn't pass a background check, etc...
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When Obama was restricting his damage to Illinois, he was 100% in favor of a town ordinance that made handgun ownerhsip illegal. When a guy "broke" the law by having a gun in his house, the 2nd nite in a row his house had an attempted robbery, and SHOT the guy robbing his house, Obama was onboard with the rest of the elected officials in that district trying to go after the guy for defending himself. THe jury of course acquitted the homeowner, but Obama and the rest of the town fuckers were looking for other ways to get him. He's as anti-gun as they come. I apologize for not having a link handy, for this story, but here are some others:
http://neveryetmelted.com/?p=3741
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
http://www.issue2008.com/obama-on-gun-control/Here's the Obama quote you need to see:
I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
You know damn well that while the president doesn't "write" bills, the president has a lot of say in what ends up making it on or off the house floor. When the Democratic congress pushes a new assault weapons ban in 2009, Obama will sign it. Take it to the bank.
Now, you know that as ardent of a supporter of Ron Paul as I am, I'm not looking forward to choosing between Obama and McCain. But as leftist as Obama is, if I'm stuck between those two choices, I'll choose McCain. If i wanted the socialist dystopia that is Obama's dream I could move to any one of the European nations (well, I couldn't since their immigration laws are bullshit apart from me being in a line of work that's in high demand).
Well, I don't.. I want the person that will do the least amount of damage to the constitution and the ideas of limited governance. Ron Paul is the best shot for that. Obama is unequivocally the WORST for that.
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Nick -- whats the best/cheapest/fastest way to get an AR15? I recently found cncguns.com and that looks excellent, but I suspect there are faster avenues for someone that's not interested in milling ?
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Also interested in Nick's opinion on a quick, cheap AR purchase. Also looking for an AK knock-off as a SHTF/EOTW weapon.
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Tad218;221170 wrote:
**Obama **for so many reasons.Starting with the obvious: The Iraq war. There's no good reason left to be there.
McCain will stay.
Obama's tax plan is gonna benefit the lower and middle class. It's not going to be good for the rich, but right now that's not affecting me or most of us.
McCain will keep the tax cuts for the rich
Obama will mandate coverage for children and subsidize health care for adults.
McCain won't change a thing.
Obama has a plan to give college students thousands in tuition in exchange for public service, like working at homeless shelters.
McCain won't change a thing again. At least in our country.
I don't see how Republicans can even be happy about having McCain as their nominee. It's completely advantage Obama
You really think Obama will be a catalyst for all this change he speaks of? He's so ambiguous when he speaks, it's hard to tell what, if anything, he's going to do sometimes. Looking at his voting record is a good way to judge his future actions, and thus far they've been scary left. I'm more of a moderate than anything, so take it for what it's worth.
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SmitEvo;221183 wrote:
I guess depending on what you want to call middle class/upper class it could if he did get elected and held onto two terms.I'm almost 100 percent sure Obama has stated that anything over 100K per year is upper class.
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thrash;221225 wrote:
If i wanted the socialist dystopia that is Obama's dream I could move to any one of the European nations (well, I couldn't since their immigration laws are bullshit apart from me being in a line of work that's in high demand).They aren't really bullshit, but some are extreme. I believe to become a resident of Switzerland, there is a twelve-year naturalization process one must go through. So basically, if you aren't born there, you don't become a citizen (or you wait a long time).
If you don't mind me asking, what line of work are you in?
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Well, for instance, Iceland requires that you learn the Icelandic language and change your name to be Icelandic in origin if you want actual citizenship. And Iceland does things like deny or delay visas to non-native born spouses. Lovely place to visit; we have some relatives there we stayed with. Goofy laws and economy though.
I'm in the software development industry. I've done a mix of IT and software since highschool.
I've heard that it's easier for people in the IT/tech sector to get foreign work visas, just like we've got the H1-B program here in the states. When I was vacationing in Munich a few years ago I ran into an American kid (like, early 20s) who spoke no German and was working for Siemens. He was saying that it was pretty easy to get a ride to Germany if you knew your stuff. I also had the opportunity to transfer to our Denmark office last fall but it came literally the week after we bought our fixer upper house in Fargo. A guy on my team who's originally from Norway is transferring and is getting all of his paperwork sorted out currently.
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So you work for Microsoft?
Edit: Yeah, isn't Iceland's economy mainly based on fishing? I always thought Iceland was pretty cool and would love to visit, but I don't think I'd ever want to live there.
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(Ron Paul write-in crew here)
Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
Ron Paul, yeah vote for someone who wants to eliminate federal student loans. So that way our population becomes less educated and the countries future becomes more fucked.What is wrong with getting loans for a college education? Work part time to help with the bills? There is 2 sides to this argument. I worked in college, I took out loans, and my parents "made too much money" to get federal aid...however they didn't offer any financial assistance for my college... So what does them making money have to do with ME getting an education? Bad parents, or are they teaching the value of the dollar and an education?
Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
Ron Paul is Nuts with encouraging conspiracy's.Please elaborate. A lot of the stuff he bring to the publics knowledge IS happening (NAFTA, Chip, etc..)
Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
Paul wants to remove troops from all foreign soils. WTF is that going to help. Nothing. It will make us more vulnerable.How is having all of the AMERICAN troops on AMERICAN soil going to make us more vulnerable? Sounds like a country I would prefer NOT to mess with...
Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
He also opposes the Federal War on drugs. Well then where is the money going to come from to fight drugs???But he isn't against the war on drugs. He is against jailing people for long periods of time over drugs (which is costing more money than fighting the issue)
He also voted against more border patrol. Thats great let more illegals in to the country. He is too far out there. [/QUOTE]
Less border patrol, more border structure/security (less men, less money)
Rexwagon wrote:
I would rather vote for Hillary than Ron Paul.That is your right, as stated in the Constitution that Ron Paul stands the strongest to uphold.
Many people get a vision of Ron Paul from the media, and well, if you listen to the media....you are falling victim to one of the biggest piles of shit facing Americans. I am not being a RP cry baby, but we ALL know he got ripped off from day 1. Not saying he would have won if he was given the same opportunity that everyone else was given, but he would have done much better.
my $.02
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