It's Over.

[DaveH]

tjamz;245553 wrote:
I'm just curious if you have looked at Obama's published plan. I didn't see anything that said "handouts for the lazy" or anything to that affect. While I don't agree with him about raising the top tax brackets rates by 3%, most of the rest of it makes sense to me.

I could copy paste the parts that I like, but I will instead post a link to his tax plan and let you tell me the parts that you don't like.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf

That sheet is a commercial, not a tax plan. I listen to what he says, and after thinking about what he says I don't like about 90% of what comes out of his mouth. Like I said, hopefully what he says and does are two different things.

[DaveH]

Sweet-WRX-Lovin;245635 wrote:
edit: It's occurred to me that I've been commenting a lot on here like I know something sorry if I pissed anyone off and I'll STFU for awhile.

It's called debate, it's not pissing anyone off. its all good. More ideas and points of view are usually interesting to hear.

Even tho my point of view is obviously right.

[DaveH]

Sweet-WRX-Lovin;245578 wrote:
I believe the 95% tax cut is an effort to stimulate the economy by freeing up money to the majority of americans to spend on goods and services. Not an attempt to redistribute wealth or at least blatantly. While this gives the shaft to people making 250K+ it's not a horrible idea. It's a tax cut for 95% and nothing for the 5%.

I don't have a problem with tax cuts, I think tax reduction is a good thing.

But how can it be a tax cut for the 38%-40% of people who currently pay NO taxes? He can't cut their taxes because they don't pay any. He is just going to send them money (I guess you could look at it as buying their vote). That is what I have a problem with.

If he wanted to be truthful, he should be saying "I want to give the middle 55% of the people a tax cut, and since the bottom 40% don't pay taxes, I just want to send them some money.

[Sweet-WRX-Lovin]

DaveH;245659 wrote:
It's called debate, it's not pissing anyone off. its all good. More ideas and points of view are usually interesting to hear.

Even tho my point of view is obviously right.

LoL nice one Dave OMG I almost missed that. Mr. Subliminal has taught you well. Right on man I just thought I was getting a bit out of hand possibly or at least seeming that way. But what do you mean giving money to the 38-40% with the tax cut/plan?

edit: yeah I get ya on the 55% thing, but doesn't 95% sound so much tastier?

[DaveH]

Sweet-WRX-Lovin;245694 wrote:
LoL nice one Dave OMG I almost missed that. Mr. Subliminal has taught you well. Right on man I just thought I was getting a bit out of hand possibly or at least seeming that way. But what do you mean giving money to the 38-40% with the tax cut/plan?

edit: yeah I get ya on the 55% thing, but doesn't 95% sound so much tastier?

I didn't know if anyone would catch that subliminal note......

to explain the 38-40% deal:

If you look up statistics on who pays taxes, right now the bottom 38% or so of people in the USA do not pay any taxes. When time comes to do their taxes, if you looked at their tax forms they pay nothing, zero, nada. Since they currently pay nothing, you can not "cut" their taxes. You can't make them pay less than "zero".

So Obama isn't going to give the bottom 38% a "tax cut", since that is impossible.

[bubba]

Bassplayer;245360 wrote:
An all Democratic Government will mean **socialism **will finally get done.

Fixed

[StangerBanger96]

Sweet-WRX-Lovin;245581 wrote:
Well I think your wording gives away how Obama feels about it. It shouldn't be exclusive, it should be there for all who WANT it. Not everyone is going to want one so everyone will not have one. If that makes any sense let me know because it sounded weird to me.

Like was said below me, money is a limiting factor for a reason. The Dem's are the ones who helped push through laws allowing our current banking/housing/mortgage crisis to happen...they should have no problem allowing people making no money to get student loans that will probably never get paid back in order to get into college.