In a shocking turn of events
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DelSlow;259866 wrote:
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This is what we need.
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I thought I had heard there was a "Republican" version of a stimulus bill that involved less governmental spending? I could be wrong, I've been wrong before...but it's what I had heard.
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I said today Torbs.../sarcasm
The house is the wrong place to try and put a bill together in this political climate. They are so outnumbered there that it is silly....maybe that says something about the will of the nation.
It still doesn't change the fact that none of them seem too willing to try and modify this bill. Don't want to sit down and negotiate, even though the table is open for their ideas.
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Trafik Jamz;259896 wrote:
I said today Torbs.../sarcasmThe house is the wrong place to try and put a bill together in this political climate. They are so outnumbered there that it is silly....maybe that says something about the will of the nation.
It still doesn't change the fact that none of them seem too willing to try and modify this bill. Don't want to sit down and negotiate, even though the table is open for their ideas.
So the polls show that the majority of americans are now against the bill, the republicans submitted their own ideas, and yet they are doing nothing? You need to quit watching/listening/reading those left wing propaganda machines, its turning your brain to mush.
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chuck i was listening to the minority leader of the house last week, he said the repubs were in a group discussion over this anti-stimulus and the great obamanator walked in. He asked why they wouldnt approve the bill and they told him for almost 2 hours what was wrong with it. Obama then just shrugged his shoulders and said "submit your reccomendations to soandso and we will see what we can do", and finished with something on the lines of "im not going to discuss any other options".
So basically the big guy told them right to their face he wasnt going to do anything they wanted so they might as well quit. That is why they havent been doing much -
I love how our elected officials don't actually represent the views of their constituents but rather their own personal agendas and the agendas of their registered party. One good example of this is how Amy Klobuchar herself said that her office received 1000 calls a day against the bailouts and only 20 a day for it. She voted for the bailout anyway.
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Grr;259901 wrote:
chuck i was listening to the minority leader of the house last week, he said the repubs were in a group discussion over this anti-stimulus and the great obamanator walked in. He asked why they wouldnt approve the bill and they told him for almost 2 hours what was wrong with it. Obama then just shrugged his shoulders and said "submit your reccomendations to soandso and we will see what we can do", and finished with something on the lines of "im not going to discuss any other options".
So basically the big guy told them right to their face he wasnt going to do anything they wanted so they might as well quit. That is why they havent been doing muchI thought Obama was supposed to bring change or something like that.
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I read what Grr posted as "Bring it to the appropriate people and we'll see what we can work with, at present I (being Obama) am not inclined to make any changes without them being formally brought forth and debated amongst those writing the bill."
And as for Americans being against the bill....perhaps the latest polls state otherwise:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114202/Obama-Upper-Hand-Stimulus-Fight.aspx
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So to that I'd say that they ARE doing what their constituents want....at least to a degree.
And for CLARITY (something I don't see anyone else posting) here is a competing poll showing that they want it passed, but with changes.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114097/Americans-Support-Stimulus-Major-Changes.aspx
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Trafik Jamz;259907 wrote:
So to that I'd say that they ARE doing what their constituents want....at least to a degree.And for CLARITY (something I don't see anyone else posting) here is a competing poll showing that they want it passed, but with changes.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114097/Americans-Support-Stimulus-Major-Changes.aspx
All those polls show is that Americans feel that some kind of stimulus bill needs to be passed. However, it does not go into anything about what should actually be in the stimulus bill. Those polls are very generalized and one cannot make definitive claims on specific things using those polls as reference.
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Right, which brings me back to my original point. The republicans haven't stepped up with an alternative bill.
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Exactly my point. There is no longer a defining distinction between the two parties in REALITY. In principle, sure, but no one follows their principles. Sitting on your ass is not leading. Grandstanding/bitching/whining will accomplish nothing. They are the MINORITY party. At best they can hope to shape policies/bills, but they really don't have a shot at creating them 100% according to their ideology. Politics is a game of give and take. When you are facing a potential super-majority against you, your best shot is to try and make sure it isn't swinging just too far away from your beliefs...and again, doing nothing doesn't accomplish shit in my eyes.
And I'm 100% convinced that we can not tax cut our way out of this shit, just as I am 100% convinced that raising taxes is the dumbest thing we could do right now. Actually, let's try the tax cut method for the bottom 95% of wage earners. Leave the top 5% as they are for right now and eliminate 100% of all income tax for anyone making less than $250,000 a year. I'm willing to bet that the "rich" will make more money this way than if we just lowered the income tax on them by another few points. Why? Because it would stimulate spending. If I didn't have to pay a cent in income tax next year or for the next 3 years, I can guarantee that I'd spend/invest a ton more than I do now.
Now can anyone honestly tell me that they think that if the reverse were true and we eliminated income tax on the top 5% only that it would have as positive of an impact on the economy?
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Trafik Jamz;259921 wrote:
And I'm 100% convinced that we can not tax cut our way out of this shit, just as I am 100% convinced that raising taxes is the dumbest thing we could do right now. Actually, let's try the tax cut method for the bottom 95% of wage earners. Leave the top 5% as they are for right now and eliminate 100% of all income tax for anyone making less than $250,000 a year. I'm willing to bet that the "rich" will make more money this way than if we just lowered the income tax on them by another few points. Why? Because it would stimulate spending. If I didn't have to pay a cent in income tax next year or for the next 3 years, I can guarantee that I'd spend/invest a ton more than I do now.Now can anyone honestly tell me that they think that if the reverse were true and we eliminated income tax on the top 5% only that it would have as positive of an impact on the economy?
Why should the top 5% have to pay income tax and those who are making less than that and utilizing more of the services pay nothing?
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i just don't get why this is so hard, NO bailout.
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