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  • RexwagonR Offline
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    I did read that obama isnt in favor, but his buddy nancy pelosi is.

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      NY democrats have tried to re-introduce it twice in the last few years. Axelrod has backtracked a bit on it very recently -- originally Obama was "not in support" of it. Now it's "he has more important stuff to work on, but will be talking about it with the FCC".

      The 1st amendment is primarily to protect political speech. The fairness doctrine is probably the biggest circumvention of 1st amendment rights possible.

      The FCC, an unaccountable, unelected body, would need to ensure that any broadcasting present "both" views on a issue. As if there are only "two" views to begin with, but more bothersome, the FCC gets in the business of defining mainstream and deviant views in the political sphere.

      The government shouldn't be in a position where it has to measure political speech. At least McCain Feingold (which sucks) is kind of measurable -- money spent and days before the electoin.

      How does the FCC decide what is conservative or not? Or what is liberal or not? Them thinking that is their job is a big problem. How could they possibly do a good job?

      Unfortuneately, this isn't about them doing a "good job" at anything. It's about suppression of political speech. When the government gets to be the barometer of government criticism, it's not about keeping things fair, it's about totalitarianism. This is one of the keys that unlocks that door.

      There are a few things being considered that seem innocent enough that could really have far-reaching effects. Obama wanting to take the US Census in-house is a stroke of genius. The census is a primary input to the legislative districting process; by manipulating it he can gerrymander on a national scale and ensure a democratic stranglehold for years to come. A re-imposed fairness doctrine would require that anyone with the nerve to say how creepy this is would be required to give airtime to anyone willing to say "you're overreacting, this is a great thing".

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        Trafik Jamz;260731 wrote:
        AFAIK there has been no formal legislation introduced to discuss/reinstate this antiquated policy.

        What difference does that make........ they could introduce it and have it passed in under 48 hrs like they have been lately

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          What I think is funny is that this subject never even comes up unless it is brought up by the right wing talk radio hosts. The left is doing fine and doesn't need it, but they get calls every day by people saying stupid shit like "Rush says that you guys are pushing to get this passed..." when it has not even been mentioned in any serious discussion by anyone on the left as far as it's revival (as far as I can tell...and yes, they will talk about it, but usually only when asked about it as far as I can tell...and yes, someone will now post a link to x, y or z senator saying it is needed).

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            Trafik Jamz;260797 wrote:
            What I think is funny is that this subject never even comes up unless it is brought up by the right wing talk radio hosts.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC9KnOfO6hM

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veF2KNlHW6w

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nLdk-Kn-gk

            There's a video I saw on tv of Obama's press secretary talking about it while on a flight, I can't seem to find it online yet.

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              Weird a Fox News clip.

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              • RexwagonR Offline
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                fox news= fair and balanced

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                  Rexwagon;260821 wrote:
                  fox news= fair and balanced

                  Any station that has to tell you they are...probably isn't...but none of them are.

                  I'd say that the intent of the fairness doctrine is good, but the market should dictate who/what gets air time. It basically falls back to the rule that stations need to provide equal airtime opportunities to both candidates in an election and that they cannot refuse to air one side or the other.

                  The argument is that talk radio is 24/7 campaigning for one party or another and thus must be managed the same as any other campaign....the difference is that with campaigns, the parties are paying to be on the air, in talk shows the parties are being paid by advertisers to be on the air....just like any other form of entertainment.

                  To enforce the fairness doctrine again would be like saying "Yes, you can broadcast the superbowl, but only if you broadcast the world Curling championships on your radio station as well....because, well, lots of people like curling and some people will never be exposed if they aren't forced to".

                  As to Dave's response, like I said, there are exceptions to my rule...My thought is that every time it gets mentioned...even if it is something asked of the politician and not something they brought up, the right-wing jumps all over it. I highly doubt we'll see it reintroduced and passed during the Obama (or any future) administration.

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                    if you go on the fox news website it says: "fox news, Fair and Balanced".

                    Yeah

                    The fit is go.

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                      DelSlow;260818 wrote:
                      Weird, a Fox News clip.

                      Fixed your punctuation for you. :bom:

                      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/02/hinchey_fairness_doctrine.html

                      http://en.sevenload.com/videos/ixy0Vm2-Clinton-fairness

                      http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1155201977?bctid=10237007001

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                        QQ.

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                          DelSlow;260829 wrote:
                          QQ.

                          English please

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                            Chuck the only reason you see the right wing blaring about this subject is because the left has no desire to continue freedom and liberty, and why would they want to uphold the constitution???? THEY DONT, the right at least knows that the premise of this bill is the beginning of stripping the freedom of speech away, no shit they are gonna bitch about it, at least they care.....

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                              i thought privately owned radio... was... ummm... privately owned:icon_scratch: 😕

                              Big Brother ring a bell anyone?

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                              > BlueSRT0483;244555 wrote:
                              > As proven by Parker... Not everything you read on the internet is true.
                              > Trafik Jamz;260984 wrote:
                              > You are right Parker.

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                                Parker;260838 wrote:
                                Big Brother ring a bell anyone?

                                Thought that show was canceled.

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                                  DelSlow;260839 wrote:
                                  Thought that show was canceled.
                                  ya, thats what i was talking about... a fucking TV show... good one.

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                                  > BlueSRT0483;244555 wrote:
                                  > As proven by Parker... Not everything you read on the internet is true.
                                  > Trafik Jamz;260984 wrote:
                                  > You are right Parker.

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                                    Yeah, I was wondering why you brought up a reality TV show.

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                                      http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27185

                                      and bb
                                      http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=67390

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                                        DelSlow;260843 wrote:
                                        Yeah, I was wondering why you brought up a reality TV show.
                                        i really really REALLY hope you are joking.....

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                                        > BlueSRT0483;244555 wrote:
                                        > As proven by Parker... Not everything you read on the internet is true.
                                        > Trafik Jamz;260984 wrote:
                                        > You are right Parker.

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                                          What? No way, what is Big Brother? Was that a group in the book 1984 by Orwell?

                                          Naw, its a TV show.

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