U.S. Debtclock Update
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Fuck you Zac
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(just wanted to make sure I still had it in me)
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24valvenotak;295652 wrote:
the argument of liberals feeling and not thinking is completely foreign to me. where did this originate?i don't think it started until "liberals" lost its orignal meaning of people who rolled phat D's with Adam Smith and the Wealth of Nations... and came to mean progressive democrats in the 1900s.
But yes, once you're talking about democrats in the 1900s at the federal level, by and large nothing they have done demonstrates any grasp on reality whatsoever regarding the economy. To be fair, a notable exception was the Clinton administration, although it is widely postulated that the savings cuts he made came at the expense of hurting America's armed forces quite badly. In any case, I see one of three possibilities regarding "liberals" and "thinking":
- they do not think
- they do think, know what their policies mean, and are committed to the destruction of America's economy so that they can usher in the socialist/statist dystopia that the voters haven't completely given them yet
- they think, but in a sort of Orweillian doublethink where they manage the cognitive dissonance required to beleive completely contradictory things and switch between the two as it suits their purpose
Obama today said that he would spend his way out of our recession. Is that what a thinking man says? If so, what is he thinking?
As far as feeling vs. thinking... I couldn't say. I see no evidence that progressives "feel" much of anything except utter contempt for humanity and value, and utter lust over absolute power for themselves. These people are either corrupt through and through, or are willing and useful tools of those who are corrupt through and through.
The shame of it all is that the republicans have tried to position themselves as the watered down progressives. This will always result in failure... if two parties are attepmting to say they beleive in the same things, the party with the clearer, stronger message will win. The republicans need to give up on this compassionate conservatism horeshit and just devastate the federal governement and cut spending by 80% or more, and i don't even care where they do it -- military, social security, helping old people cross the street -- it doesn't matter.
If a political party with some thinking adults willing to make some hard spending cuts doesn't quickly emerge and take control, the US will fall apart within our lifetime. Perhaps quite soon.
How soon can a country fall apart? Consider East Germany. The government of east germany controlled
- all media
- all employment
- all housing
- where you could go
- what you could do
Even so, east Germany fell apart as a nation in 9 days. When the prevailing propoganda of a society becomes too divergent from the reality in that society, it is ripe for revolution and radical change.
If anyone wants any say in how that change happens, they had better work on doing it inside the current system before it falls apart.
Instead, people in this thread, and in America at large, pretend everything is the other 49% of the peoples fault. If that's the case, why don't we just get it over with and split into two nations? Divorce is the #1 industry in America, why not just do it at the national level?
[Well, one reason is that last time someone tried it, it caused a pretty bloody war that wrecked all of America for decades...but my contention is that that is coming anyway.]
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There were a lot of words there thrash.... Zac didn't read it.
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It's hard to argue against thrash when you agree with the bulk of what is said (by him).
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thrash;295669 wrote:
i don't think it started until "liberals" lost its orignal meaning of people who rolled phat D's with Adam Smith and the Wealth of Nations... and came to mean progressive democrats in the 1900s.But yes, once you're talking about democrats in the 1900s at the federal level, by and large nothing they have done demonstrates any grasp on reality whatsoever regarding the economy. To be fair, a notable exception was the Clinton administration, although it is widely postulated that the savings cuts he made came at the expense of hurting America's armed forces quite badly. In any case, I see one of three possibilities regarding "liberals" and "thinking":
- they do not think
- they do think, know what their policies mean, and are committed to the destruction of America's economy so that they can usher in the socialist/statist dystopia that the voters haven't completely given them yet
- they think, but in a sort of Orweillian doublethink where they manage the cognitive dissonance required to beleive completely contradictory things and switch between the two as it suits their purpose
Obama today said that he would spend his way out of our recession. Is that what a thinking man says? If so, what is he thinking?
As far as feeling vs. thinking... I couldn't say. I see no evidence that progressives "feel" much of anything except utter contempt for humanity and value, and utter lust over absolute power for themselves. These people are either corrupt through and through, or are willing and useful tools of those who are corrupt through and through.
The shame of it all is that the republicans have tried to position themselves as the watered down progressives. This will always result in failure... if two parties are attepmting to say they beleive in the same things, the party with the clearer, stronger message will win. The republicans need to give up on this compassionate conservatism horeshit and just devastate the federal governement and cut spending by 80% or more, and i don't even care where they do it -- military, social security, helping old people cross the street -- it doesn't matter.
If a political party with some thinking adults willing to make some hard spending cuts doesn't quickly emerge and take control, the US will fall apart within our lifetime. Perhaps quite soon.
How soon can a country fall apart? Consider East Germany. The government of east germany controlled
- all media
- all employment
- all housing
- where you could go
- what you could do
Even so, east Germany fell apart as a nation in 9 days. When the prevailing propoganda of a society becomes too divergent from the reality in that society, it is ripe for revolution and radical change.
If anyone wants any say in how that change happens, they had better work on doing it inside the current system before it falls apart.
Instead, people in this thread, and in America at large, pretend everything is the other 49% of the peoples fault. If that's the case, why don't we just get it over with and split into two nations? Divorce is the #1 industry in America, why not just do it at the national level?
[Well, one reason is that last time someone tried it, it caused a pretty bloody war that wrecked all of America for decades...but my contention is that that is coming anyway.]
im all for it, everyone with a republican mindset move south, again.
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24valvenotak;295684 wrote:
im all for it, everyone with a republican mindset move south, again.It would actually be a country between a country...it's the south and the midwest. http://www.lawpundit.com/blog/PresidentialElectionCNN5Nov2008.png
And if we did it, the country with the democratic mindset would be totally bankrupt within in a short time as all of the rich people that lived there would move to a place where they could keep more of their money...Oh wait, this is already happening, see: New York and California
If being a liberal is so great, then why is it that the liberal states are the ones with the most dire financial problems?
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24valvenotak;295684 wrote:
im all for it, everyone with a republican mindset move south, again.I have a "freedom" mindset. Where do i move?
In any case, last time a bunch of sepratists wanted to leave the USA, the USA got pretty upset about it and fought to keep them. You'll have to forgive me for not beleiving that the looters would leave the producers alone this time.
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thrash;295691 wrote:
I have a "freedom" mindset. Where do i move?Right next to me, I'd be glad to have you as a neighbor.
What I think is funny about this whole thing is that the whole debate/bitching (in this thread) started when Zac said:
zbrown;295542 wrote:
how come i keep hearing on how we are fixing the un-financially sound practices of the last 8 years then??so either you are lying or the current administration is lying.... and there is no way they would do that
and I showed how spending grew under Bush (and should be changed). I'll be the first to admit that Obama isn't doing any better job. So yes...the current administration is lying in saying that they are keeping spending under tighter control. I never once said it wasn't.
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DaveH;295699 wrote:
I did not cut down that cherry tree.Oh wait....
:icon_bigsmurf:
lol
thrash there is always outer space or international waters?
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Trafik Jamz;295694 wrote:
and I showed how spending grew under Bush (and should be changed). I'll be the first to admit that Obama isn't doing any better job. So yes...the current administration is lying in saying that they are keeping spending under tighter control. I never once said it wasn't.You know, I believe the majority of people on this board that consider themselves conservative did not like Bush and the amount he was spending. So telling us that he was doing a bad job is like preaching to the choir.
The Obama Administration is taking the negatives of the Bush Administration and putting them on steroids.
Also, pointing to negatives of others in the past to negatives that are happening now is not an excuse that should be tolerated. What people want is somebody that isn't about politics as usual, and that actually cares about the country and people more than their own political interests.
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torbs;295704 wrote:
You know, I believe the majority of people on this board that consider themselves conservative did not like Bush and the amount he was spending. So telling us that he was doing a bad job is like preaching to the choir.The Obama Administration is taking the negatives of the Bush Administration and putting them on steroids.
Also, pointing to negatives of others in the past to negatives that are happening now is not an excuse that should be tolerated. What people want is somebody that isn't about politics as usual, and that actually cares about the country and people more than their own political interests.
Didn't I just say this essentially? Twice? Can no one read on this damn forum?
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Trafik Jamz;295710 wrote:
Didn't I just say this essentially? Twice? Can no one read on this damn forum?I just don't see the point in bringing up Bush whenever somebody brings up Obama's bad policies. It's as if Bush doing bad is an excuse for Obama doing bad (worse) as well. There are no excuses.
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