700whp 1990 Civic Wagon
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zbrown;296996 wrote:
For one it is going to need a turbo that will support 700whp..... and that turbo is not going to be as streetable as a turbo that will support 400-500whp... especially on a hondaWell that is obvious, to get to these levels it is a necessity, but I meant it would have no issues being driven anywhere, although response won't be great.
DrifterExtreme;296998 wrote:
Really you beleave 700whp pump 91 w/meth? You should know better then that.In my opinion you don't get runners glowing that hot that fast unless your running low timing, Correct?
So how am i a hater and in any way funny? If he would have said were going for 700whp and never mentioned pump 91 there would be no issue. Done deal.
Matt, no one believed he could go 10s with an N/A D15, or mid 9's at ~150 with an N/A F22, but he has done both. I would say that making ~350 hp on an N/A F22 would be just as hard as this projects goals, but he did that and it is proven with outside testing. Therefore, I am not saying he has/will make his goal, but Im also not willing to say it isn't possible. I agree that it is a very lofty and improbably goal, but he has done things many times that people said wasn't possible, so Im not ready to dismiss it either.
I haven't been watching this project too closely, but I did see that vid and I believe somewhere that bisi said he was running pretty low timing.
You are a hater because you are dismissing it is a possibility before seeing any results or having anything to even compare it against. Do you have any comparisons of a honda motor going for big power with pump/meth? I never see anyone try this with hondas. People have said it wasn't possible for many of bisi's projects but so far he has proven them wrong so Im giving him the benefit of the doubt for right now, and saying he may possibly do it.
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inspector01;297038 wrote:
Matt, no one believed he could go 10s with an N/A D15, or mid 9's at ~150 with an N/A F22, but he has done both. I would say that making ~350 hp on an N/A F22 would be just as hard as this projects goals, but he did that and it is proven with outside testing. Therefore, I am not saying he has/will make his goal, but Im also not willing to say it isn't possible. I agree that it is a very lofty and improbably goal, but he has done things many times that people said wasn't possible, so Im not ready to dismiss it either.You are a hater because you are dismissing it is a possibility before seeing any results or having anything to even compare it against. Do you have any comparisons of a honda motor going for big power with pump/meth? I never see anyone try this with hondas. People have said it wasn't possible for many of bisi's projects but so far he has proven them wrong so Im giving him the benefit of the doubt for right now, and saying he may possibly do it.
WIN!
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inspector01;297038 wrote:
You are a hater because you are dismissing it is a possibility before seeing any results or having anything to even compare it against.:icon_cheers: QFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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inspector01;297038 wrote:
You are a hater because you are dismissing it is a possibility before seeing any results or having anything to even compare it against. Do you have any comparisons of a honda motor going for big power with pump/meth? I never see anyone try this with hondas. People have said it wasn't possible for many of bisi's projects but so far he has proven them wrong so Im giving him the benefit of the doubt for right now, and saying he may possibly do it.Its cause bisi is "colored" and probably stole that honda. lol
> Parker;299126 wrote:
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bubba;297045 wrote:
WIN!
What do you know anyway?I bet you don't even know what i was talking about in my last post. You know nothing about the issues with attempting something like this.
Bassplayer;297046 wrote:
:icon_cheers: QFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Again read what i just told bubba.
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DrifterExtreme;297081 wrote:
What do you know anyway?I bet you don't even know what i was talking about in my last post. You know nothing about the issues with attempting something like this.
.WTF is wrong with you that you need to constantly insult peoples' intelligence? You and I have never met so how would you have a clue what I know. You are pure hater. Also it sounds like you are hiding a very deep personal problem by the amount of times you insult other people... I understand what you are saying, and I definitely understand the physics behind cars just as well as most (If I wasn't a music business major I would have went to college for acoustical physics/engineering)
You are just an asshole man, and I seriously don't get why you constantly think you are the only one on here that knows anything about Honda motors. You may know Bubba, but you don't know me. You also don't know a lot of other very intelligent members of this forum that you have criticized for not knowing as much as you. Just because you once owned a failed business doesn't make you messiah, it must have been nice to have your parents give you money to play business man. I know that if I was trying to sell a product or service that I would always try to treat the potential client pool with as much respect as I can. I have a couple of things on my car that I could have used your services on, and a bet that there are countless other people in this same situation, but we won't come to you anymore because you are a real piece of shit.
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yup you think I'm a hater because well you don't know shit about a d series if you think it can make 700whp on 91 pump and meth. So with this lack of logical thinking you assume everyone against it is hating. which in it self is a stupid fucking term.
If you insist on calling me names call me a skeptic, and quite a big one at that. sorry i don't think a guy can break the laws of physics on shear hype alone.
I don't give a shit if you want me to make you stuff. It's people liek you that go alone with something just because everyone else does that fargostreet is what it is today. If your not down with the norm your some "hater" or "asshole". and quite frankly i'm done dealing with you people that think i'm an asshole because i speak my mind on a subject i think not you or bubba know a fucking thing about. It has nothing to do with my business or any of that shit. Yet you and other bring it up as you have nothing else to hold over my head.
And this is me saying again if you think you can take a 75mm bore, small port, 9:1 D16 and make 700whp on 91 pump w/meth your a fucking idiot.
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DrifterExtreme;297089 wrote:
And this is me saying again if you think you can take a 75mm bore, small port, 9:1 D16 and make 700whp on 91 pump w/meth your a fucking idiot.Is this why you like to throw ideas around with me to get my opinion cuz I'm a fucking idiot?? I have no proof that it is not possible, so I am not willing to dismiss it as impossible yet either.
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inspector01;297090 wrote:
Is this why you like to throw ideas around with me to get my opinion cuz I'm a fucking idiot?? I have no proof that it is not possible, so I am not willing to dismiss it as impossible yet either.Matt never once referred to YOU as a "fucking idiot"...infact, he basically said the opposite. He said "you should know better" aka you know your stuff...if you take that as "fucking idiot", then maybe you are?
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PSiedTSi;297091 wrote:
Matt never once referred to YOU as a "fucking idiot"...infact, he basically said the opposite. He said "you should know better" aka you know your stuff...if you take that as "fucking idiot", then maybe you are? That is the only time he even addressed you.It depends on how you interpret the statement I quoted, if you take it as him reffering to "you" as bassplayer specifically, than yes he wasn't reffering to me or anyone else. If you take "you" as a reference to anyone who believes that, than he would be reffering to me since I said I wasn't willing to dismiss it as impossible. Im just harassing Matt, i don't care....
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Bassplayer;297087 wrote:
WTF is wrong with you that you need to constantly insult peoples' intelligence? You and I have never met so how would you have a clue what I know. You are pure hater. Also it sounds like you are hiding a very deep personal problem by the amount of times you insult other people... I understand what you are saying, and I definitely understand the physics behind cars just as well as most (If I wasn't a music business major I would have went to college for acoustical physics/engineering)You are just an asshole man, and I seriously don't get why you constantly think you are the only one on here that knows anything about Honda motors. You may know Bubba, but you don't know me. You also don't know a lot of other very intelligent members of this forum that you have criticized for not knowing as much as you. Just because you once owned a failed business doesn't make you messiah, it must have been nice to have your parents give you money to play business man. I know that if I was trying to sell a product or service that I would always try to treat the potential client pool with as much respect as I can. I have a couple of things on my car that I could have used your services on, and a bet that there are countless other people in this same situation, but we won't come to you anymore because you are a real piece of shit.
I agree with everything you just said Jon, but making 700whp with a D series on pump gas is just not possible. I would love to be proved wrong though because that would be badass, I just don't think its possible.
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ihaveaids;297093 wrote:
I agree with everything you just said Jon, but making 700whp with a D series on pump gas is just not possible. I would love to be proved wrong though because that would be badass, I just don't think its possible.Do you mean Pump+Meth?
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ihaveaids;297095 wrote:
Meth is not some magical chemical that boosts power numbers exponentially, I don't really think it is relevant because I don't think it will make anywhere near 700whp on pump to begin with.I hate to say it but, THANK YOU. some one that can think clearly on this topic.
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Like i said 700whp is possible on a d16 just not on pump 91.
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DrifterExtreme;297089 wrote:
If you insist on calling me names call me a skeptic, and quite a big one at that. sorry i don't think a guy can break the laws of physics on shear hype alone.I've always learned that the 1st rule of physics is that rules can be broken. I will admit to being skeptical due to the Laws of Thermodynamics. If he has found a way to compensate for all the heat that 700hp is going to be making in such a small engine block with pump I don't see why it won't work. I don't want to get into a fight about this, but we can have a good e-argument about why we think that our views are right. Also so your saying that pump gas, 91-93 octane, doesn't have the capacity to support 700whp on a small bore engine no matter what?
I just read on H-T that the SuperStreet mag with the article about this is out. Hopefully that will have some hard facts in it that will be rock solid for either side of the argument. Bisi said that he hasn't been able to divulge any of the "secrets" because of this article. Going to Hornybs now to see if they have it.
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Bassplayer;297098 wrote:
Bisi said that he hasn't been able to divulge any of the "secrets" because of this article.LMFAO... mmmk
What what secret would that be??
Oh... I know..... that he spoke wrong and is actually running meth and spraying 91 pump on the top....
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Secret number one screw with dynapack compensation values. go from 450whp to 700whp.
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