Another DSM
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6-bolt bottom-end can handle around 550-600hp. It has been proven several times with John Shepard, Al Blaha and Tym Swyzter. Al Blaha ran 10.5 at 132 with stock bottom end, sans 2g pistons. Motor was never pulled from the car. This was with a Red and HKS 272 cams. 1g intake manifold and hacked 1g MAS.
7-bolts can't handle as much but it also depends on the application. Russ Coxe is running low 10s with a T72 and NOS and he's still running a 7-bolt. He's also an Automatic too though. As for a 10-sec or better 7-bolt.....it might, but not for long.
Wiz
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ohhh man...pretty sure only ur car would add 250 whp if u added checkers...my car HAD checkers....Took them off as soon as i got the car...so MAYBE...JUST MAYBE will the 4g63 block handle more than 400 HP...but running 30 psi....that alot of pressure on your engine.....and then with spray...thats even more ....no possible way he had all stock internals...he probably did when he first got the bigger turbo and the spray...then he took his car out...hit the spray and ther went his whole damn engine.....and if im not mistaken....when u rebuild a engine...maybe you dont but most people replace everything....so that woould mean...no more CRANKWALK!!!!!!!!!!.....now go get ur 1994 grand prix...and race my grandma...because im sure u could keep up wit her.
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oh and my t3/t4 is.... - T3/04E 57 Trim
Stage 3 wheel
.50 A/R Compressor
.60 A/R Turbine
3" Inlet, 2.25" Ex
Flow: 47 lbs/minute...is that good enough for you? -
Arguing On The Internet Is Like Running In The Special Olympics....even If You Win...your Still Retarded
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nvsgsx wrote:
ohhh man...pretty sure only ur car would add 250 whp if u added checkers...my car HAD checkers....Took them off as soon as i got the car...so MAYBE...JUST MAYBE will the 4g63 block handle more than 400 HP...but running 30 psi....that alot of pressure on your engine.....and then with spray...thats even more ....no possible way he had all stock internals...he probably did when he first got the bigger turbo and the spray...then he took his car out...hit the spray and ther went his whole damn engine.....and if im not mistaken....when u rebuild a engine...maybe you dont but most people replace everything....so that woould mean...no more CRANKWALK!!!!!!!!!!.....now go get ur 1994 grand prix...and race my grandma...because im sure u could keep up wit her.I don't get it... Nick Tufte from SLS had over 500whp on stock internals... what part of that aren't you understanding... stop by his shop at SLS and look at the dyno run if you'd like...
replace everything all you want, but at the end of the day if you're still running a 7-bolt, it can still crankwalk.... trust me I know from experience
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DSM 101...
Looking like 530whp shutting down early @ 7500RPM. Stock pistons, stock rods, stock crank. Setup still runs today in another car. I just lost interest in the car. Setup would have easily made 550+ on that pull.
But yeah do some research before you tell people what can and cant be done especially if you haven't done it yourself, because some people have!!!
Nick
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hey just cause i daily drive a grand prix doesnt mean i dont know a thing or 2 about cars...and nice come back because ya know i was cocking off about my car right?...oh yeah maybe i have another car...ever think of that? this is not really the area to be telling people what can and cannot be done with a dsm.
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ok, i think we've made our point that he's a bit foggy on what the 4g63 has done in the past. keep in mind, my block is still stock, i'm going to try beating nick's 530 run...
however, what you didn't add is that nick's head is still stock (except cams?) , and the intake is a magnus, made for daily driving AND freaky top end -
I'd like to know where this kid is pulling his random hp numbers from that his car is making now?
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Well he lost the power now...no more checkers....
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2k3WRXND wrote:
Well he lost the power now...no more checkers....you drive a WRX....stop wasting ur money and get a STI.....everything i have researched on DSM's have said the stock blocks only handle 400 whp ...my car hasnt had that much power so i have no experience to see if it actually would blow the engine or what would happen so i figured all the research i have done on them have only handled 400 whp ....so thats where i got it from...even mitsu motors says 400whp...and yeah maybe PSIedTSI has another car....but you talk up everyone elses cars like their yours so thats why i had to make that comment.
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pretty sure half the people on this board have some kinda of decals on their cars.
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nvsgsx wrote:
and i;d love to see a 4g63 block handle 500 hp with all the stock internals...you tell me what whoever has 400HP+ in there Eclipse...what turbo they have and what psi they are running and i will tell you if ur a idiot or not
thats the only reason i "talked up" other peoples cars...you asked and i told you bottomline...oh and most of the decals people have are of area shops or internet performance shops not ricey decals...sorry just had to be said...i dont hate you just dont speak until you know and youll be fine -
yeah decals are ricey...but to me they make a car look better....other than just a stock painted car unless you have ur car with custom paint...so until i can afford to get custom paint...i'll keep my decals on.
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I've seen and built many 7-bolts that didn't crankwalk that made over 400whp. It comes down to how you do it, what you use and how you treat it. I personally had a low 12-sec, high 11-sec daily driven DSM that never broke in almost 3 years. Then my clutch went. And I frequented the track almost every other week. Stock 6-bolt engine.
And ANY motor can crankwalk. Even 6-bolts can. It is just far more uncommon. The 6G72 is faily common for spinning rod bearings and failed oil pumps. But that doesn't mean they can't handle 600hp stock bottom-end.
And with proper fuel, timing, tuning, etc....you could boost 34psi and spray 100shot on a 4G63 and make over 1000hp at the flywheel. And shifting at 9k+ rpm. Don't believe me? Try www.shepracing.com or www.extrememotorsports.com or www.buschurracing.com.
I'm not the genius or know it all....but they did it, consistantly and Shepard has yet to break in almost what......4 years? Not bad for a street car running 8.7s.
But any fool who buys a DSM, adds a big turbo, heavy clutch, some spray, built motor etc, will not run 10s. Jason Wier (close friend of mine) never-ever ran 10s. He did trap 131+mph but his driving, shifting, etc wasn't good. He broke almost every week. Al Blaha, wasn't spraying, stock motor, big turbo, and ran mid 10.5x all day long and never seemed to break. And trapped the same mph.
My point...not sure. But I have been with DSMs since Shepard had a mullet and Buschur still had his AWD. Almost a decade now.
Wiz
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Tell ya what man; bring out your 1g and I'll race it. As for wasting money, I think both STI's and Ej20's have great potential period. Bar none the STI is a better platform, but I go to school and work. I pay for my own things here and can't afford the insurance or 10k+ premium of having an STI so I make do with what I got, and I'm confident in what I got will take yours down as is. If its true you got this 400+whp machine you'll take me no problem, but I'm gonna raise the bs flag and say you bring your shit down when me and tufte race.
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I dont have a single decal on my car and dont plan on it. And as for him only driving a WRX... well I havent seen an STi in the area or that has showed its face in fargo/moorhead that could compete with his car in a line or around the curves. I have driven his car and was very very impressed with it for the minimal amount of mods done to it. Hell Tjamz has more mods done and a bigger turbo and front mount and runs slower 1/4's granted he has an ATX but still.
Peace!
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i could really care less if you had any decals...i really dont care what u had...and no i never said i had 400+whp...if you read any of this forum i was stating i got a t3/t4 turbo because i didnt want over 400 hp because what i researched the stock blocks could only handle 400whp now that everyone has said that they can handle more...once i install my new turbo i will boost it for more HP....and as for no one showing there face around fargo moorehead with a sti...thats mainly because no one can afford them..but if you really want i can bring a friend of mine with a 04 Sti...and im sure he woud be glad to race.
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