The epitomy of bullshit.

[Guest]

My response to their email:

So, what your response indicates to me is that probable cause can be having large spoilers, gauges, decals and other noticeable, though completely LEGAL modifications (I've read your websites listing of illegal mods.) As for where I obtained my information, please review the following link:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/05/576.asp

or do a google search, it will yield many similar results.

I know you can't use the words "target" or "profile" since that will get your organization in trouble, but thats exactly what you are doing. Call them warning signals/call signs/whatever you want, its still targeting a group of individuals based on how they choose to express themselves (again legally) when they fit within the profile of what you consider a street racer, and that my friend is illegal. Its just as illegal as saying "Hey that guy has tatoos, he must be a drug dealer, lets go raid his business/house" or "That black man is driving a Ferrari, he must be a pimp/gangster/drug dealer/etc....lets pull him over and ask to see his income tax statements for the past 5 years".

Never once did you answer my major questions:
Why are aftermarket gauges probably cause and/or illegal?
Why are large spoilers probable cause and/or illegal?
Why are stock exhaust systems probable cause and/or illegal?
Why is tint (that is legally applied) probable cause and/or illegal?

My point was that not everyone that modifies their car is a street racer, some are show cars, some just like the look of the race cars they see in magazines. Do you pull over older camaros, vettes, mustangs, vipers, etc... that have been made to look like NASCAR pace cars (some came from the manufacturer w/ a racing decal package)? I'm guessing not. So why harass the people who drive cars that look like what they see in drifting events, drag races, touring car races, etc?

I know street racing is a problem in your state, and I am very aware of the role the CHP has in law enforcement. If you want my opinion, take that $5,000,000 that your organization received as a federal grant and do something POSITIVE for kids that want a chance to LEGALLY race their cars. $5,000,000 would buy a ton of track time at a local drag strip, why not rent such a strip and allow the racers to come in and race for a nominal fee ($10 or whatever). While they are there, have a trained officer inspect their vehicles for illegal modifications, but let it go on anonymously. In other words, no tickets. No names taken and entered in a database. No penalty. Just make them aware that their parts do not conform to CA law and if they are caught on the street with them their cars will be impounded. Then work with the industry to find out who is making street legal parts for the cars and provide EVERYONE at the track with a list of manufacturers who comply with California and Federal laws regarding these issues. Do that and the import community will have a much better respect for your organization.

Thank you for your response, I look forward to future correspondence with you and your organization.

[SmitEvo]

Noice Reply Chuck^

[Guest]

Chuck Schwan...."PR Person For The Import Community"

I think that should be my new title and you can all pay me lots of money every year to work on your behalf.

[Guest]

You can have half of that $5 Million.

[Guest]

Deal

[Guest]

And here is their response...notice how they skirted the questions again.

** High Priority **

If something on a vehicle is "completely LEGAL" officers could not issue a citation.

"Never once did you answer my major questions:
Why are aftermarket gauges probably cause and/or illegal?
Why are large spoilers probable cause and/or illegal?
Why are stock exhaust systems probable cause and/or illegal?
Why is tint (that is legally applied) probable cause and/or illegal?"

The CHP doe not make or change laws, we enforce the laws that are implemented. If you want an explanation to why violations are in effect you need to contact your local legislature and ask them.

The Winner and STILL CHAMPION: TJAMZ!!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

CHP Got Owned!!!!

Incidentally, there is a mustang done up by Mustangs Plus (1995 CObra R) I believe, that can't get certified. For no Reason! He passes emissions, he has all original equipment, it's street legal, they just say no. That's bullshit too, thank god for me not having a car that they can control with emissions, and GOD I LOVE ND!!!

[ichibankilla]

So basically what there saying is, that there mindless drones who uphold the set of rules and regulations given to them without question. Good old common sense will tell you that if have a set of specified rules and regulations you gonna want to know the specifics of each one so they can be effectively administered and upheld. Maybe arnold doesn't like the tuner crowd. He's pissed 'cause everybody doesn't drive a hummer.

Somewhere Eric Estrada is weeping.

[amicheze]

that is hilarious. chuck.. you start sending emails to people a little higher up on the 'food chain'. see what kind of answers you can get from them. im really interested to see what they have to say.

[Bryce]

Tjamz with the knock out! Very funny, and great work.

[Guest]

The sad thing is all I wanted was answers. If they would have said we don't profile that type of vehicle I would have left it at that. Apparently they don't know what their rules are and how they enforce them. That is the scary thing to me, people in power who have absolute control on how to use their power.

[93Pgt]

definately not movin to CA, nice work tjamz

[StangerBanger96]

tjamz wrote:
just got this response from the CHP, I plan on responding.

** High Priority **

The laws of the State of California prohibit officers from conducting traffic stops with out probable cause or probable suspicion...

And they get around that by changing what defines "probable cause." So now probable cause is having a wing/can/loud exhaust/stickers/bodykit/etc. instead of swerving in and out of traffic/speeding/racing/etc. Just when you think California couldn't create any dumber laws they surprise you again.

[Guest]

Let's all hope that it falls into the ocean much sooner than anticipated.

[StangerBanger96]

Thinking about it though.....................................................this kind of law is almost used by officers around here. The lightning driver that got ticketed for being able to hear his supercharger? A factory option getting someone ticketed is not right.

[Guest]

How is hearing a supercharger against the law?

[StangerBanger96]

i guess they said it violated the "excessive noise" ordinance or something like that? Im not sure...there is a thread somewhere on it in these forums.