Dyno in Fargo?!?! Interested?!?
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Yeah Steve-o said my thought, In all reality The #'s Really don't matter that much, it's consistency, so even if you have 150hp, if you can tune another 15 out of it or somehting, it's still a improvement, i mean another dyno could say the car has 185hp, and you could pull 15 out of it, it's still the same inprovement, really doesn't matter, well to me it doesn't.
Not sure if that made sense, but i tried
Anyways Would i use it, yes alot, 3-5 times a year or more, depends on what mods i Get done.
Tuning yourself, well, i'm sure there may have to be some liability issues to take care of, but really, if you gota professional tuner, or a trained one, and a Dyno with guys you know and trust running it, why not have them tune, they are most certainly have more experience than MOST of us doing so.
My thoughts, and a Hours worth of tuning to me is well worth $112, with a wideband that is.
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Steve-o wrote:
Shane will give you a deal on the dyno and you will still end up paying $500 each.It's not worth it. Take it from someone who shelled out $200 for a 1 hour session with him. He works for http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/ now, not payne.
Might as well just get someone local that is good with a UTEC....
oh and its a dynapack, not a dyno jet. People bitch about dyno's reading high and low, that doesn't matter, consistency is what does.
Not doubting anyones tuning capabilities here, and no offense to anyone on this matter, but he does have one of the best reputations in the Utec tuning world (called TXS and asked who they'd recommend to tune a WRX if location was not an issue....their response to me was Jorge, then TXS, then Phil @ Elementtuning.) Right now Jorge is my troubleshooter/fine tuner...just send him my datalogs w/ wideband info and he tells me if anything looks out of order and tells me what parameters to change to make it smoother.
The $500, would that be in addition to the charge that Jorge would require? If so, seems a bit high, if not I assume you meant if just 5 of us were getting tuned that day....obviously we'd try and get a bunch of people together to minimize costs...just throwing ideas out there that would have been asked anyway.
Thanks for the response though
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Awesome Idea, AWD dyno in the heart of the awd scene. You will need to have a partnership with someplace like borderland towing for all the DSMs that break! I would see mysef using it atleast once a year for tuning, If i ever get a car that needs to be tuned.
Will you guys be learning KPRO, i know youve already had experience with it, but KNOWING it is way different. Also, you will be opening up a world of new business possibilities. You will have people coming from al over the midwest. Have you thought about the increase in product you would need to keep in stock? i'm sure you have, but it struck my attention.
Point Being: Everyone wants a Dyno, and not only would you make money on the dyno itself, but increase in people coming in the door, more relations with the domestic/truck crew like jason said. I am all for it as I would love a dyno, but more importantly, this will leade you, If marketed right, to a butt load of business. Good Luck with your purchase. -
Just want to throw in here how amusing it is to listen to people who will spend thousands of dollars on parts to make their cars go fast, and then pinch pennies when it comes to the most important part of making power - the tuning. I gladly spent $400 for a custom map for my bike after putting thousands into the motor. You car guys crack me up.
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2wheeler wrote:
Just want to throw in here how amusing it is to listen to people who will spend thousands of dollars on parts to make their cars go fast, and then pinch pennies when it comes to the most important part of making power - the tuning. I gladly spent $400 for a custom map for my bike after putting thousands into the motor. You car guys crack me up.I would just like to throw in I think it's amusing how pretty much everyone in this thread actually said they would use the dyno, and then you posted this.
Silly bikers.
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I find it amusing how many people have actually dyno'd when Andy comes to town too, or said they would, then never showed up.
I honestly dont think its going to get used the way you think it will get used. This town is full of bullshit when it comes to people wanting to go fast. If people actually cared, they would dyno when Andy came to town, or drive to Minneapolis already.
There are a select few (you know who you are) who are truely into the tuning aspect and get it taken care of. But most of the rest are honestly full of it.
Dyno's are great to have around but the total investment versus total return isn't there. Unless you travel with one, build parts and R&D, or are a HUGE known tuner, then I don't see it getting used.
The first month or two will be great but then what do you do after that when the "fun" has worn off?
I can think of better ways to make money honestly.
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I agree with Nick...I have made the trip to Andy's shop to do my tunning...its nothing to drive a few hours to get it done
Im not to thrilled on the dyno that Tintmasters wants to buy...I have heard more ppl post dislikes of this style of dyno..personally I would rather tune on the drums with my apllication
If there was a dyno in town I would use it 3-4 times a year
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94NDTA wrote:
I would just like to throw in I think it's amusing how pretty much everyone in this thread actually said they would use the dyno, and then you posted this.Silly bikers.
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Raider wrote:
Im not to thrilled on the dyno that Tintmasters wants to buy...I have heard more ppl post dislikes of this style of dyno..personally I would rather tune on the drums with my apllication
Raider, would you please elaborate on this? Particularly on the last part. -
I have read on the truck forums that the guys running the heavy modded Lightnings have had bad results with this dyno compared to a dynojet...they also say the setup time is longer=less time making pulls...I will see if I can find the thead and post it up
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2wheeler wrote:
It's not that they wouldn't use it, it's that they bitch over 10 or 15 dollars.
we're not all ballers like u are. -
integra_gsr98 wrote:
Unless you travel with one, build parts and R&D, or are a HUGE known tuner, then I don't see it getting used.I can think of better ways to make money honestly.
Well I'm going to support the idea of having one locally. Even the well known tuners have to start somewhere. And the scene in the F/M area is going nowhere doesn't get any better or further along unless somebody grabs the bull by the horns so to speak. It does get a little old how the scene is said to be going downhill but when somebody wants to start to ressurect it, they get shot down. I can't say if or even when I'll have a car to utilize a dyno but I'm sure there's a few that will. Like I said before, the good ones have started somewhere too and built their reps further. It didn't just fall in their laps either. I do agree however, that this is a big step to take and all options should be weighed carefully before you invest in it. You will need some very reputable tuners to get the customers rolling in. The one thing that anybody that knows the whole tuning thing expects and will accept the fact of spending a good day of driving and spending the xtra $$$ to protect there investment. So, they will drive to the cities to dyno tune there cars. It would be nice to see it if you ask me and I fully support the idea. If it doesn't work, well at least they tried and should be able to re-sell the dyno to try and recoup some (not all) of their investment.
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integra_gsr98 wrote:
I find it amusing how many people have actually dyno'd when Andy comes to town too, or said they would, then never showed up.I honestly dont think its going to get used the way you think it will get used. This town is full of bullshit when it comes to people wanting to go fast. If people actually cared, they would dyno when Andy came to town, or drive to Minneapolis already.
There are a select few (you know who you are) who are truely into the tuning aspect and get it taken care of. But most of the rest are honestly full of it.
Dyno's are great to have around but the total investment versus total return isn't there. Unless you travel with one, build parts and R&D, or are a HUGE known tuner, then I don't see it getting used.
The first month or two will be great but then what do you do after that when the "fun" has worn off?
I can think of better ways to make money honestly.your always so damn negative......
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tjamz wrote:
Not doubting anyones tuning capabilities here, and no offense to anyone on this matter, but he does have one of the best reputations in the Utec tuning world (called TXS and asked who they'd recommend to tune a WRX if location was not an issue....their response to me was Jorge, then TXS, then Phil @ Elementtuning.) Right now Jorge is my troubleshooter/fine tuner...just send him my datalogs w/ wideband info and he tells me if anything looks out of order and tells me what parameters to change to make it smoother.The $500, would that be in addition to the charge that Jorge would require? If so, seems a bit high, if not I assume you meant if just 5 of us were getting tuned that day....obviously we'd try and get a bunch of people together to minimize costs...just throwing ideas out there that would have been asked anyway.
Thanks for the response though
Nathan must have been busy?
I will tell you how it went down in MN this summer:
$450 for 2 hours. He would not break it up into one hour chunks until someones car broke and he had too.I'm just warning you, wait for the people to start backing out as soon as they hear that its going to be over $200 an hour. Their aren't enough people here with "big" setups that need it, the stage 2 guys won't care, because jorge has said it himself that its not worth the money to dial a stage 2 car in.
Jorge is a good tuner, you know that and so does anyone that reads Nabisco. I've just had some problems that I didn't really appreciate.
In Conclusion: Dan @ godspeed will be tuning my car this spring. Tintmasters doesn't own a dyno YET. Where did that random $112 an hour come from?
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Hey I like the idea, if you do it, would you do discounts? Bercause I would probally use it 30-40 times a year. I build a lot of cars and even now I got 5 of them I want dynoed so I can get them tuned right.
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You guys got to keep in mind, more than just people from the Fargo area will use it once it's known to be out there.
G.F., Detroit Lakes, Fergus, and not just imports.. and maybe not even just cars, maybe trucks as well.
I think it'll get used quite well; there are what... 3 dynos in the cities?
so for Fargo; that's like a 3 1/2 hr trip. to head down there...
And they are all mustang dyno's down there; and only one that i know is awd.
i think it'd work.
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tjamz wrote:
Only thing I don't like about Dynapack is that they tend to have higher numbers than traditional dyno configurations and it doesn't take the rotating mass of the wheels into consideration when tuning (whether this matters or not is another story all together).As stated further in this thread, this is one of the most accurate dyno number ONCE you get a baseline. Yes it may read high/low compared to xyz dyno, but if you use the same dyno throughout your mods, and it is accurate, isn't that the point? You are an audio guy, competing all around the upper midwest had me hitting 6db high or low on different comps... Would it be easier and better to tell your acheivement if you always used the same db meter?!? I would think so!
tjamz wrote:
I'd probably use the dyno 4-6 times a year and almost exclusively for tuning. The $112/hour, does that include having you guys tune the car or can I tune myself at a reduced rate?The $115ISH amount would be for US to tune the car obviously. Can you walk into any other place and just 'use' their dyno? NO! What happens if something bad happens, do you go after the business with the dyno or yourself?? You will say yourself, but the realistic part of life, is you would go after anyone you could to get a new motor/turbo/etc... NOBODY WOULD USE THE DYNO EXCEPT THOSE THAT RECEIVE TRAINING ON HOW TO OPERATE IT AND TUNE ON IT EXTENSIVELY!
tjamz wrote:
Would you guys be going to training schools on AEM tuning and UTEC/Hydra tuning? How about Hondata? Not that those matter to me, I'll just tune it myself, but it will probably make a difference to others that want tuning done.
It is too early to say what software we would be fluent in, but obviously we aren't gonna jump into a Hydra unit not knowing a damn thing about it... I thought I posted earlier that we wouldn't touch a car we didn't know about the software on... As stated before it isn't worth the ego trip to try and tune something we know NOTHING about!tjamz wrote:
Also, would you guys be offended if (for example) me, Kirk, Joe, Stephen & Schulzy paid for someone like Jorge Rift (Payne Technologies) to come to fargo and tune our vehicles (meaning a tuning day by the top tuner in the Subaru community in the united states)?Offended...maybe.... we foot the $103,000 bill to have the dyno here, then $10-$20k to receive training on the software, only to have someone bring in a different tuner?!?! Do you think Jorge was born with his knowledge? I am pretty sure with shane building a 600hp subaru we would be able to tune a subaru very well! If you wanted to bring Jorge in to tune, we would start the rate at say... $1000 an hour.
tjamz wrote:
How about offering a discount if you buy X amount of dollars, you can tune for a Y% discount the day of your appointment...maybe get some baseline runs in and then see what kind of gains you got from the mods?We set the rates for the dyno, so if there is a loyal customer that uses it a lot OBVIOUSLY a good business would offer a discount. I think our strong customers know about the deals they receive for staying loyal to our shop... And yes we would have a rate for those that just got a intake/header/catback installed to see what they gained... But don't forget this dyno is not free and we need to pay for it somehow, so good 'buddies' will not see the dyno time for next to free, as the employees would not either.
No offensive to anything stated above, but these questions are kinda a little out there. We will not be buying this dyno, if we don't have mature/knowledgable people running it... plain and simple
Jason
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