Dyno in Fargo?!?! Interested?!?
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If your making restrictions on people not being able to tune their own vehicles or bring in their own tuner then that will be your major downfall. For instance those of use who are very big into this scene/racing would want to be doing our own tuning. For instance if i were to dyno i wouldn't want to be letting someone else do it who may or may not even be qualified to do it.
And yes Dynapacks usually read way high. If i were in the market i'd go Dynojet in the floor and be done w/ it.
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PSI2HI wrote:
If your making restrictions on people not being able to tune their own vehicles or bring in their own tuner then that will be your major downfall. For instance those of use who are very big into this scene/racing would want to be doing our own tuning. For instance if i were to dyno i wouldn't want to be letting someone else do it who may or may not even be qualified to do it.And yes Dynapacks usually read way high. If i were in the market i'd go Dynojet in the floor and be done w/ it.
You can make a dyno read any way you want. All it takes is modifying that field that says "weight".
Also, the general consensus from the "tuning community" is that dynojets read the highest.
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BUY IT UP !!! and they will come...
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First off I think the choice of the Dynapack dyno is excellent. It's highly mobile (for a dyno) and being able to dyno any driveline configuration is huge (all this you know already). As far as how high it reads compared to my grandma's dyno who gives a crap. It's all in the baselines and percentages of change. As far as how many times a year I would use it, honestly I don't know. I'm 95% sure I'm going Hydra so that kinda of puts me out of the picture (for now). In closing, having an AWD capable dyno in Fargo would be a godsend. I hope you guyz decide to do it, and even more than that make it work well for you.
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PSI2HI wrote:
And yes Dynapacks usually read way high. If i were in the market i'd go Dynojet in the floor and be done w/ it.Higher than what....other dynos? So which one is "correct"....and why? I can have you talk to the creator of "Factory" dynos and he will tell you what a pile of shit Dynojets are. Is he right? Who cares? Just like Steve-O said, dynos can be manipulated. Hell, change the temp in the room = instant HP increase/decrease. Dynos are tuning tools.
2wheeler posting under tntmstr
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tntmstr wrote:
Higher than what....other dynos? So which one is "correct"....and why? I can have you talk to the creator of "Factory" dynos and he will tell you what a pile of shit Dynojets are. Is he right? Who cares? Just like Steve-O said, dynos can be manipulated. Hell, change the temp in the room = instant HP increase/decrease. Dynos are tuning tools.2wheeler posting under tntmstr
Really air temps cause changes in power levels, damn now i know what i've been doing wrong all these years, FUCK!!
Every dynapack graph i've seen records flywheel power as well.
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PSI2HI wrote:
Really air temps cause changes in power levels, damn now i know what i've been doing wrong all these years, FUCK!!Every dynapack graph i've seen records flywheel power as well.
Explain to me how it can measure flywheel power from the drive wheels... -
Because of the lack of load on a dynapack compared to a Mustang dyno or dynojet.
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integra_gsr98 wrote:
Because of the lack of load on a dynapack compared to a Mustang dyno or dynojet.
.....what about drivetrain loss, turning driveshafts, big rear ends, hp robbing Tq converters, accesories, etc etc....all of these are factors that can't be taken out. There is no way to get a flywheel hp number without the engine up alone to a dyno. -
I just dont see Fargo supporting a AWD dyno, it'd be great to have but i wouldn't be suprised if it didn't get enough use to make the payment. The only way i would justify buying one would be for parts testing/development.
A shop i do business w/ has a dynapack, here's a graph from theres.
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PSI2HI wrote:
Really air temps cause changes in power levels, damn now i know what i've been doing wrong all these years, FUCK!!Every dynapack graph i've seen records flywheel power as well.
Dyno a car in a 75 degree room, turn the temp down to 50, make a pull = more power on your graph = theres your higher number with no tuning at all. Thats manipulating a dyno. There are other ways to do it, so whats the big deal about having a big number. What should count is the before and after.
What would you rather have, a higher number or a lower ET?
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My $.02... I'm w/ GSR on this one - take everyone's count on how often they'd use it and divide by at least 2. Like Ethan said, most people cheap out on the tune. And like PSI2HI said, I don't think you'll get enough support to pull it off, especially given the investment.
However, big props to you guys for thinking, seriously, on another level and trying to make it work. That mentality is the reason you keep moving into bigger and bigger shops
Good luck w/ whatever your choice is...
Fvckin machine took my quarter
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2wheeler wrote:
Dyno a car in a 75 degree room, turn the temp down to 50, make a pull = more power on your graph = theres your higher number with no tuning at all. Thats manipulating a dyno.Really, wow, learn something new everyday! Ethan you're a fricken genius.
I wouldn't consider that manipulating a dyno. Manipulating would be setting correction factors above a 1:1 ratio.
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PSI2HI wrote:
Really, wow, learn something new everyday! Ethan you're a fricken genius.I wouldn't consider that manipulating a dyno. Manipulating would be setting correction factors above a 1:1 ratio.
Aw Nick, c'mon, yer making me blush. REAL genius is making more HP than everyone else, and running slower ETs.....like your DSM did. Luv ya!Congrats on the big dyno numbers!
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PSI2HI, I still would like an answer to this question.
".....what about drivetrain loss, turning driveshafts, big rear ends, hp robbing Tq converters, accesories, etc etc....all of these are factors that can't be taken out. How does this measure flywheel horsepower with these factors" -
2wheeler wrote:
Aw Nick, c'mon, yer making me blush. REAL genius is making more HP than everyone else, and running slower ETs.....like your DSM did. Luv ya!Congrats on the big dyno numbers!
Im not even gonna start w/ internet arguments cuz last time i checked someone hopped on your bike and made quicker passes out of the box........ ANd once you start arguing your like a little 12 year old who wont stop until he gets his way!
Anyways good luck on the dyno but i dont see the Fargo "tuning" scene supporting it. There's a slim population of the people in this town that actually try make power or are concerned about racing in general. The majority of full blown tuning spent on standalones is driveability issues which half the people just blow off and do only WOT. All drivability tuning issues are done on the street. Basically you can just base it off of whats seen @ the street legal's, etc. There's basically 2 groups @ the track, there's really no gray area. You got the crowd running 11's and quickler and thern there's the gap into mid 14's and slower. The guys who hop on for a few quick pulls just to see are gonna be 1 time deals not returning users.
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I have a little bit of input....the pics of that dyno look to me as if you can pack it up and set it off to the side in a matter of minutes, and even move it around to different locations in the shop, as well as possibly car shows and the like. The way I see it, if this is true, theoretically if you guys got this dyno, you would not be subjuct to staying at just one location with it, so you could take it to Devil's run, or even out to the drag strip on street legal days, which could inturn boost the revenue created by having the dyno. Another benefit i can foresee is it would not constantly take up valuable shop space, so its not like having the dyno would slow down productivity in other facets of the business. In my opinion I would say it is a very good idea. A lot of DSM's have sprung up in Minot as im sure other parts of the state, and Fargo would be a much MUCH nicer trip for people in minot as opposed to winnipeg or the cities.
Also, as a possible solution to the noise problem created from high rpm engines, you may want to think about the possibility of setting off one section of the shop, I will use a corner as an example, where you would have 2 walls, and the rest exposed, you could have acoustical foam installed on those 2 walls, and have an acoustical curtain(such as what you would see in a theatre) to make up the other 2 "walls", and that may at the very least help to deaden a lot of the sound before it escapes the building, thus helping to reduce compaints about the noise associated with high revving engines. That of course is just a suggestion, i don't know if you guys would be willing to do that(or spend the money to do that), but i believe it would help with the noise problem.
93 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 Sandstone Grey Met. One of 136 made in '93.
97 Dodge Dakota(daily driver)(sold)
92 Eagle Talon TSi AWD(winter project)(abandoned and sold)
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94NDTA wrote:
PSI2HI, I still would like an answer to this question.
".....what about drivetrain loss, turning driveshafts, big rear ends, hp robbing Tq converters, accesories, etc etc....all of these are factors that can't be taken out. How does this measure flywheel horsepower with these factors"Comment may have came out a bit wrong. But on the dynapack there is no vehicle load and no drag loss from the wheel/tire rotating mass therefor power output #'s are usually drastically higher (thus simulated flwheel hp) then your normal roller dyno which dynapack thus refers to as flywheel output.
All in all i think if the space wasn't an issue i'd rather have an infloor dynojet. If its in floor it really isn't taking up space. Dynojet's are cheaper in price as well. ANd as well you wouldn't need all the hub adaptors, no hassle jacking the car up and removing the wheels.
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