Another reason to hate on the UAW and see Toyota become the worlds largest maker.
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Here is another reason to hate on GM and the UAW. I just hate on GM anyway and am glad to see the news of their empire slowly crumbling. Anyway the UAW seems to think it is more patriotic to buy an american car or build one then it is to dawn the uniform of the armed services and fight wars.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/13/C01-115531.htm
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/15/A01-117640.htm
Here is just a couple articles further explaining this. So ya from here on out I would rather run rice burners with "power adders" to compete with the V8s then support some selfish lazy automakers. I know this is not GM speaking but it is the workers union and as far as I am concerned that is the GM, Ford and Chrysler. As a former Marine I will always support the troops before some damn domestic car company. After this I say let em crumble and let Toyota, Honda and Nissan replace the plants where GM, Ford, and Chrylser once stood. As Toyota said their goal is to have every Toyota sold in the U.S. built in the U.S.
I am sure I will get flamed on by every domestic car owner now but so be it. That is just wrong to dis the troops over what they drive. However these companies need to realize why they are losing to the imports and with PR like this I can see why they lose even some of the most loyal of customers. End of rant. -
87 tahoe with 233k miles on it. It was the only car in the driveway that started today
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Hmm, how much you want to bet it goes for everyone who is with the Union?
Lets say you owned your Toyota plant or whatever import place you want. You build imports. How would you feel if I rolled up everyday in my big domestic and parked in a reserved parking spot everyday, sporting a "kill ricers" sticker on there. Would you really want me parking there?
Its a matter of respect. I dont care who you are, if you work for my company, and you show up with an advertisement for competition, I got a problem with you. Its a matter of respect.
And one more thing. You said you're a marine. Thank you for your service to our country. After that, my respect for you depends on the person you are. Everyone assumes that just because someone is in the military they deserve our unending respect. I respect that they served us in the military, but there are a lot of people who served in the military that do stupid stuff, do drugs, do lots of illegal shit, and be all around jackass', thats when my respect runs out.
My cousin for one, is back in Iraq in the Army. He came back from Iraq, is nothing but an alcoholic now, almost got a DUI but got out of it so he didnt learn a damn thing, came up here, ran out of gas on his way. Called me to wire him money, so I had to drive another 60 miles to wire him money, spend money on something at KMart so they would cash my check so I could have cash to wire him the money. He gets up there, gives me a check that bounces when he tells me to cash it. He pretty much blows me off while he was up there. Didnt visit our grandpa, who he hasnt seen since our grandma died. He called about a month before he left for Iraq. I told him the check bounced he needed to send me another one. Said he would and thats the last time I talked to him.
Im grateful hes serving our country. Other than that hes dead to me.
So while you may be a marine, I think thats where your patriotism ends. While you may not care for domestic cars, you make a lot of jackass comments about them in front of those who do like them, and your basically telling us you wish hundreds of thousands of Americans lose there jobs. True patriot. But I guess outsourcing and slave labor is the American way isnt it?
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So the UAW International will no longer allow members of the 1st Battalion 24th Marines to park at Solidarity House if they are driving foreign cars or displaying pro-President Bush bumper stickers
aparently they have to drive domestic cars AND they can't support bush. isn't that a little bit backwards? its bullshit if you ask me.
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amicheze wrote:
aparently they have to drive domestic cars AND they can't support bush. isn't that a little bit backwards? its bullshit if you ask me.I've got mixed feelings on the whole issue, however I am only going to comment on the above.
They want them to own domestic cars made by an american worker, and not support a president who'd just as soon see their jobs sent overseas. I can respect their views on this. I don't think they picked the right group of people to make their point with however as it will cause them to be seen in a negative light, especially once Rush Limbaugh puts his spin on it (he has a good beef with them here IMHO). Unions have every right to limit who/what they want on their property, I just think they chose the wrong people to make a point with.
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Unions are dead, and it's just a matter of time before they drag down all the companies they are affiliated with. The big 3 auto makers would be best off to shut down, close the doors, and completely re-start under a different name so that the uaw can't try to force their way in legally. Then it's time to hire good workers and pay them a fair wage and start producing cars that are superior without being tied down to the stupid rules that the uaw ties them down with. Unleash the workers with incentives to produce, and to come up with innovative ideas, rather than tell them that they can't do such and such because that is someone else's job.
Just my $.02
DaveH
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DaveH wrote:
Unions are dead, and it's just a matter of time before they drag down all the companies they are affiliated with. The big 3 auto makers would be best off to shut down, close the doors, and completely re-start under a different name so that the uaw can't try to force their way in legally. Then it's time to hire good workers and pay them a fair wage and start producing cars that are superior without being tied down to the stupid rules that the uaw ties them down with. Unleash the workers with incentives to produce, and to come up with innovative ideas, rather than tell them that they can't do such and such because that is someone else's job.Just my $.02
I agree with just about everything you said there Dave. The one thing a lot of people forget is that unions were started out of necessity (virtually none of us would have employer sponsored healthcare and 40 hour work weeks had it not been for unions in the past). The laws have (for the most part) changed enough so that unions have limited roles other than to add additional red tape. There are a few that are worthwhile still however, the UAW is not necessarily one of them. But this isn't about the UAW's ability to build a decent car, it is about there right to limit who can use their parking spaces.
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IMO, their "right" to limit what car is in their parking lots goes hand in hand with the mentality that has affected the build of the cars. Just my opinion of course.
Now to REALLY go off topic, feel free to pull this post to somewhere else if needed:
Unfortunately, employer sponsored health insurance is/was the demise of our health care system. I won't elaborate any more than that in this thread.
DaveH
tjamz wrote:
I agree with just about everything you said there Dave. The one thing a lot of people forget is that unions were started out of necessity (virtually none of us would have employer sponsored healthcare and 40 hour work weeks had it not been for unions in the past). The laws have (for the most part) changed enough so that unions have limited roles other than to add additional red tape. There are a few that are worthwhile still however, the UAW is not necessarily one of them. But this isn't about the UAW's ability to build a decent car, it is about there right to limit who can use their parking spaces.DaveH
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No, their right as property owners allows them to prohibit whoever they want from parking in their lot....take the fact that its a union thing out of this, you wouldn't want an ugly RWD probe parked in your driveway now would you? hehe
Employer sponsored healthcare did help raise the cost of insurance, no doubt. But I don't think it was the single thing that did in our health system in this country. I can think of 4 factors worse than that.
- Poor health choices by many people (obesity, smoking, excessive drinking, etc...)
- Frivolous lawsuits (enough said)
- People run to the Dr. every time they sneeze because "it only costs the $10 copay"....WRONG
- Healthcare saw its largest increases in history (according to the health insurance companies that I have sold insurance for in the past) after the drug companies were allowed to advertise prescription drugs on tv/radio. Think about it, how many people do you think see a Nexium/Lavitra/etc... commercial and think "HEY I HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS!!!!" and then run to their doctors and demand that they get the drug. If they don't get the drug, they sue (see #2), if they get the drug they charge it to insurance. Since when am I more informed than my doctor? Didn't he go to college for this stuff? Aren't there pharmaceutical reps out there that advice the doctors about what the best new drugs are? I guarantee you that if you take the prescription drug commercials off the air, insurance costs/claims will go down within a 2 year period. I'm all for advertising OTC medications as I don't need a doctor to get those. I say let the pharmaceuticals advertise in trade magazines only....like it used to be.
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I knew you'd come around eventually dave...lol
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